How We Care

Show notes: 

'Be The Best Boss You've Ever Had: A Resource for Chronically Ill Therapists in Private Practice' book by our host Elizabeth Turp out 12/9/26

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Best-Boss-Youve-Ever-Had-ebook/dp/B0HGGK4KV6/ref=sr_1_1?crid=25RG9X58HF1KF&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.MrBogIfkyO88QIVke4rAps8SCBFu2Lq1yKVgBisnpCA.xrLBXTMyUJlpi8SFowIFEOUaCmLHR6b5nlkBArpQD5w&dib_tag=se&keywords=elizabeth+turp&qid=1788072923&s=digital-text&sprefix=%2Cdigital-text%2C93&sr=1-1

Nick Drake 'Road'

You can say the sun is shining if you really want to
I can see the moon and it seems so clear
You can take the road that takes you
to the stars now
I can take a road that’ll see me through

Adam Kay book 'This is Going To Hurt'

Other episodes mentioned:

https://how-we-care.simplecast.com/episodes/how-we-care-no2-the-problem-with-positive-thinking

https://how-we-care.simplecast.com/episodes/how-we-care-episode-32-midlife-challenge-and-change

https://how-we-care.simplecast.com/episodes/how-we-care-episode-33-bullies-blaggers-and-bastards-coping-with-difficult-colleagues-at-work 

https://how-we-care.simplecast.com/episodes/how-we-care-episode-27-burnout-and-rustout

Elizabeth and Paul reflect on their current projects - writing a book and navigating semi-retirement - asking each other about their meaning, origins and challenges. As usual, there are strong parallel themes for our hosts - in this episode the importance of acceptance and how everything has lead us to this point!

Elizabeth's book 'Resources for chronically ill professionals in private practice' covers planning, pacing, embedded wellbeing and dealing with challenges in PP while living with fatigue and pain. Connect on LinkedIn or follow the @howwecarepodcast Instagram to hear more.

Other relevant episodes of the podcast:

Episode 6 Turning Our Scars Into Service https://how-we-care.simplecast.com/episodes/how-we-care-episode-6-turning-our-scars-into-service

Episode 25 The impact of Beliefs on Clients and Practitioners 

https://how-we-care.simplecast.com/episodes/how-we-care-episode-25-the-impact-of-beliefs-on-clients-and-practitioners

Episode 21 Transitions in Life and Work https://how-we-care.simplecast.com/episodes/how-we-care-episode-21-transitions-in-life-and-work

Episode 31 The Importance of Space & Place https://how-we-care.simplecast.com/episodes/how-we-care-episode-31-the-importance-of-space-and-place

Episode 32 Midlife Challenge and change https://how-we-care.simplecast.com/episodes/how-we-care-episode-32-midlife-challenge-and-change

Elizabeth and special guest person-centred counsellor Natalie Rodil discuss their experiences in the counselling profession while living with chronic illness. They describe their journeys to getting support, learning self-management and the ongong challenges of both organisational and private practice work. Their experiences as mid-career and early career therapist respectively highlight some useful points about needs, policy and rights and for those of you managing others some clear examples of the how to support employees with chronic conditions. See show notes for further resources.

You can find Natalie Rodil on Twitter @NatalieRodil

Episodes 3 & 5 of this podcast focus on self-care for practitioners, epsiode 11 is about dealing with work and illness, particularly new health challenges.

Equality Act 2010 reasonable adjustments legislation: https://www.acas.org.uk/reasonable-adjustments

For comprehensive resource on Pacing for chronic illness: https://www.elizabethturp.co.uk/phdi/p1.nsf/supppages/6083?opendocument&part=9

Elizabeth reads her recent article on what the Salt Path book scandal tells us about how society views chronic illness and disability. Aiming to raise awareness and understanding of living with chronic illness in her writing, this episode is for those of you living with a chronic condition and those who care about or are supporting people who are disabled by illness. Better understanding myths about healing and the fear-driven self-protective thinking that happens for those free of ongoing health challenges can help us avoid the divisions and misunderstandings that can occur.

To read the article: https://elizabethturp.co.uk/archived-articles

See also episode 2: https://how-we-care.simplecast.com/episodes/how-we-care-no2-the-problem-with-positive-thinking

episode 14: https://how-we-care.simplecast.com/episodes/how-we-care-episode-14-why-we-all-need-to-know-the-truth-about-long-coviid

Paul and Elizabeth discuss how badly behaved, even abusive, collegues can impact our careers, mental health and motivation. They consider how workplace culture and the wider world can support these harms and what you can do to deal with it.

Dr Katherine Hubbard's blog post, as quoted in this episode, is here 

https://katharinehubbard.blog/2026/01/20/toxic-people-failing-upwards-universities-must-do-better/ 

For benefits of joining a union: https://www.tuc.org.uk/why-join-union

Elizabeth Turp and Paul Gaunt take on the vast subject of the challenges of midlife: loss, grief, illness, frustration, stress, caring responsibilities, retirement, etc and consider how this time of life often brings reflection on how we want the rest of our lives to be. At two different stages of midlife, your hosts discuss what they have dealt with, how they have managed work during challening times and how they help others going through this complex time to live more authentically. So if you are a helper who has midlife clients, or a person aged 45 and up who wants some help to improve your quality of life or make some big decisions, this episode is for you.

Article: Midlife Challenge and Change by host Elizabeth Turp for more on how therapy can help with this life stage: https://elizabethturp.co.uk/articles

Get in touch to arrange an introductory call if you would like to discuss getting some help for you.

Episode 10: Can AI replace us:  

https://how-we-care.simplecast.com/episodes/how-we-care-episode-10-can-ai-replace-us

Show notes:

Living and working in the place that Carl Jung called ‘the ‘pool of life’, their chosen rather than birth city, Elizabeth and Paul are fascinated by the importance of place both to their own lives and to their clients wellbeing, lives & choices. We consider how identity and memory relate to space and place both in the world and the therapy room. Paul talks about his research on this topic. Listen for another fascinating conversation.

Podcast on digital nomad lifestyle Jordan Harbinger Show: https://www.jordanharbinger.com/digital-nomads-skeptical-sunday/

Our episode on surviving as a helping professional in a time of fear & division:

https://how-we-care.simplecast.com/episodes/how-we-care-episode-26-surviving-as-a-helping-professional-in-a-time-of-fear-hate-and-global-crisis

Our episode 'Do we love our clients'  https://how-we-care.simplecast.com/episodes/how-we-care-episode-22-do-we-love-our-clients

The Story of the Polish Soil

• When Chopin left Poland at the age of 20, his teacher reportedly gave him an urn containing Polish soil, which he kept until his death.

• While the idea of Chopin carrying the soil might be apocryphal, the story reflects his deep connection to his homeland and continued patriotism throughout his life, despite his exile.

From Google AI Overview

Episode 30: Is helping a creative act?

Elizabeth & Paul talk about creativity in therapy, counselling, teaching and social work. They look at how confidence, experience, authenticity, adaptability and individualisation lead to successful and creative collaborative work with clients.

The following previous episodes are mentioned in the discussion.

Ep  The Courage of the Person-Centred Approach

https://how-we-care.simplecast.com/episodes/how-we-care-episode-8-the-courage-of-the-person-centrered-approach

Ep  Helping clients gain clarity and shift perspective:

https://how-we-care.simplecast.com/episodes/how-we-care-episode-13-helping-clients-gain-clarity-and-shift-perspective

Mentioned in the episode

The Artists Way, Julia Cameron course to help you unlock creativity: 

https://juliacameronlive.com/

Also mentioned in the episode

Flow State definition: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/basics/flow

Elizabeth and Paul discuss  the Stoics' idea of not needing or seeking 'the third thing', with the first thing being giving someone beneficial help, the second thing being the benefits they gain from it, and the third thing being getting praise and recognition for it. The stoic belief is that the first two things should be enough. n.b. this is not an argument for us not giving praise and recognition to others when appropriate, but more to highlight that sometimes we can get attached in a less than healthy way to our good work being recognised.

The original idea for this episode was inspired by the following article Daily Stoic inspiriation for episode https://dailystoic.com/you-do-not-need-this/

and the writings of the Stoic Philosopher and Roman Emperor, Marcus Aurelius
 

Several previous episodes are cross-referenced in the discussion  including Episode 9- Overcoming Imposter Syndrome, Episode 17-Keeping up with Social Change as a Helping Professional, and also  multiple episodes on on practitioner wellbeing and self-care

Episode 28: When to Stop Saying Yes

Elizabeth and Paul discuss how beliefs, social pressure, people pleasing and self image can affect our ability to make choices about the demands made of us at work and in relationship. They reflect on the changes they have experienced at different life stages and health challenges. They consider strategies you can try to shift from taking on too much to putting your own wellbeing into your decision making process, freeing up energy and time.
 

Article referred to about the origens of people pleasing and narcissim: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/peaceful-parenting/202101/the-one-thing-narcissists-and-people-pleasers-may-have-in-common

Previous relevant episodes:

Ep 27: Burnout and Rustout https://how-we-care.simplecast.com/episodes/how-we-care-episode-27-burnout-and-rustout

Ep 25: The impact of beliefs on clients and practitioners https://how-we-care.simplecast.com/episodes/how-we-care-episode-25-the-impact-of-beliefs-on-clients-and-practitioners

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