He's guided Canada through financial crisis and the UK through Brexit, but has no government experience. So how will Canada's new prime minister, Mark Carney, tackle what could be the biggest challenge of his career, defending Canada from Donald Trump?  
  
On today's podcast, Niall Paterson talks to our data and economics editor Ed Conway, who interviewed Mr Carney during his time as governor of the Bank of England, about the experience he brings to his new role. Plus, Catherine Cullen, host of the Canadian Broadcasting Company's award-winning political program The House, looks at the challenges Mark Carney will face as he heads into office. 
 
Producer: Natalie Ktena 
Editor: Philly Beaumont