Before he was a Founding Father, Framer, Justice, or international diplomat, John Jay spent seven years in the trenches as one of New York's few practicing lawyers—appearing in court, collecting on debts, and working with clients. Host David L. Goodwin talks with Hon. Mark C. Dillon, Associate Justice of the NYS Supreme Court Appellate Division, Second Department, and Paul D. Rheingold, Esq., Founder of and Of Counsel at Rheingold Giuffra Ruffo & Plotkin LLP, about John Jay's early years, and how they influenced his role as a Justice and statesman.