On this episode of Cyber Security Talks, Laurens Jagt sits down with Hugo van den Toorn, the CISO of one of the most renowned Dutch companies - variety chain HEMA. 

This action-packed episode covers everything from social engineering exercises in banks, hacking into an airport, and his take on the term "red teaming". Hugo also shares leadership lessons, challenges at HEMA, and career advice for the next generation. A must-listen for real-world cybersecurity insights!