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  • Hustle The Most Episode 14: Side Hustle + Passion = Career (Part2)
    In this episode Phil and I talk about the differences between the kids that he teaches now and the kids that he taught early in his teaching career. We talk about distractions and how technology really hasn't really created more distractions they are merely just different types of distractions.
    We talk about our first computers, dial up and some of the odd piercings that Phil has a young piercer. After 20 years Phil finally apologized for breaking my favorite bowl that I hand crafted while in high school.
    43 min
  • Hustle The Most Episode 14: Side Hustle + Passion = Career (Part2)
    Hustle The Most Episode 14: Side Hustle + Passion = Career (Part 2)
    In this episode Phil and I talk about the differences between the kids that he teaches now and the kids that he taught early in his teaching career. We talk about distractions and how technology really hasn't really created more distractions they are merely just different types of distractions.
    We talk about our first computers, dial up and some of the odd piercings that Phil has a young piercer. After 20 years Phil finally apologized for breaking my favorite bowl that I hand crafted while in high school.
    43 min
  • Hustle The Most Episode 13: Side Hustle + Passion = Career (Part1)
    Hustle The Most Episode 13: Side Hustle + Passion = Career
    So on the last episode I talked a little about transitions and how to kind of attack some of those things head on. We talked a little about jobs, and what it’s really like to be in a touring band and how you have to be really good at waiting. We also talked little about my good friend Phil and how he used to make body jewelry and sell it at punk and hardcore shows while he was in college.
    Here is my question of the day:
    What if you could take your side hustle and your passion and turn it into a job that you could do for the rest of your life?
     
    I am super excited to share this story with you guys today about how this happened for an amazing friend of mine that we talked about in the last episode. I brought him in today to be my guest on the Hustle The Most Podcast. Phil Rento is here in the flesh and we are going to talk about turning your passion into a career.
     
    Phil welcome to the hustle the most podcast!
     
    Listen to the episode to hear the a great sit down I had with Phil Renato.
    33 min
  • Hustle The Most Episode 12: Transitions
    Hustle The Most Episode 12: Transitions
    Can you remember a time in your life when you had a conversation with someone that changed everything for you. I don’t mean like a someone died or I’m pregnant conversation but a conversation that just blows your mind. I have a been pretty fortunate enough to have a few of these conversations in my life and I walk away from the conversation just rethinking any path or plan that i may have had in my life.
    Right after I finished high school I had this plan to go to community college for 2 years to get the basics out of the way and save some money before heading to a 4 year school. Around this time I left the hardware store that I was working at to work at RPS which was Roadway Package System. While I was working there the company was actually bought out by FedEx. I don’t remember how I found out about this job but I remember that I was stoked because they started out at like $9.00 an hour and this was $3.00 more than I was making at the hardware store. Here is the kicker to get to my new found fortune, I would have to drive 30 miles away through lots of construction and lots of traffic. It definitely wasn’t a deal breaker for me. It actually got better because once I actually started I found a few other dudes to car pool with so this helped cut down on the gas side of things.
    I remember my first day actually walking into that place for again another orientation. I basically sat through 3 hours of videos what go through things like ethics, some HR stuff and then a lot on workplace safety. This place was pretty dangerous lots of stairs and moving belts and lifting heavy stuff. These safety videos are all pretty stark and heartless but the thing that they probably emphasised the most was to never walk on the moving belt. Over and over again it was don’t walk on the belt, never walk on a moving belt, if the belt is moving never walk on it. This was the safety message over and over and over again. So I finished with my videos and ask the girl at the desk to grab the boss for me. His name was Jim. I was like can you grab Jim for me? She was like I’ll just take you out there. When we walked out there we walked through the warehouse to the far side where all the packages were flowing into the trailers. We walked up the stairs and there was an angled belt that went up next the stairs with packages on it. Once we got up the stairs there was a long belt with 3 other belts parting off of it that went into 3 different trailers. We walked up the stairs and Jim was sitting standing on the far side of the farthest belt. She said ok he’s over there. And I said how to I get over there. She was like “just walk on the belt”. I just laughed and was like, I jumped on the belt and walked over to where he was standing.
     
    I worked at that location for about a year or so. Working there was awesome.Eventually I recruited a handful of friends to work there and we kind of took over. At the end there were probably like 7 or 8 of us working there that were all friends from the Flint area.
    Around this time I was still going to community college and playing shows with my band Spit. I had just finished up my second year at Mott Community College so I was looking kind of toward the future. I applied at Eastern Michigan University and was accepted so I was headed to the love city of Ypsilanti to go to school.
     
    Ya know people say “life’s all about the journey” I think it sounds pretty cliche’ but I think there is some truth to it. Sometimes you have to take a leap of faith and follow your heart and follow your dreams. We talked earlier about those conversations that change the game. So my band Spit was playing at show at this club in Westland MI called Pharrohs. This was a club that a lot of hardcore and punk bands were playing at at the time and we were playing there with the band Earthmover. We talked about Earthmover in a few earlier episodes they were a bigger band from Detroit that people were super stoked on. We looked up to them a lot because they were older and way more established then we were. Spit was kind of on our way out I think some of the other dudes were kind of over playing Hardcore and wanted to do something a little different. Anyway we were at this show and 2 of the dudes came to ask me to talk and we walked over next to this pool table and they started telling me that they had all these shows coming up and potential tours and maybe going to europe to play shows and their current drummer was bowing out. I guess they all talked and thought that I was the only guy that they knew that could take over the duties and do it justice.
    What an amazing feeling.
    A great band that I looked up to now asked me to join up and be one of them. My whole path and perspective was just kind of blown up. I came back to out merch table and they guys from SPIT were like, “what did they want” and I said that they asked me to be their drummer. They asked me to drum from Earthmover and I told them I would do it and their reaction was actually awesome. They were all super stoked for me and not one of them was like what about Spit. Like I said I think that Spit had ran its course.
    I started practicing with Earthmover a few weeks later and I did double duty until we were done playing Spit shows. I started playing shows with Earthmover that summer and we were playing out all over the place. We did shows in Detroit, Chicago, Dayton, Buffalo and a bunch of other places. These were just weekend shows. We would drive out play a show and drive home. At the end of that summer we did our first real tour.
    We did an east coast tour with this amazing band from North Carolina called Catharsis.
    They were this kind of no gods no masters holy terror type band that were just total rippers.
     
    Let me tell you real quick what being in a touring hardcore punk band is all about. It’s all about waiting. I remember my Dad telling me once how he wished he could go on the road with me for a while. And I said
    “Dad you would hate it”.
    He was like why you get to go to all these places and see the world I said yeah that’s true. But here’s what I really get to do. We drive our van and trailer, or bus or whatever to the show and we get there at like say 9 am and we wait until someone gets there so we can load in so that happens maybe at like noon or maybe 5 it kind of depends on the tour and the size of the tour what how the club operates. So we get in the club and load in our gear then we wait to sound check then we maybe go eat or just kind of explore around town as we are waiting for the doors to open. Then we wait for our time slot then we play maybe like 30-55 minutes then break down our gear and  load out and wait for the show to end. The show ends then we head to either a hotel or a friends house or if we have a far away show the next day then we get in a drive or ride to the next show and do it all over again the next day. Don’t get me wrong it’s fun and it’s excited but it’s not for everyone. Once I walked through it with my dad he was like no way I’d go crazy doing all that waiting.
     
    Being in a touring band is tough because it’s a lot of people in a small space that are together for extremely long periods of time. You live with these people day in and day. Sometimes it’s amazing and other times it’s tough and often you experience all of the possible emotions in the same day.
    Even though I was doing Earthmover and we were touring a little we were still not a full time band. We all had jobs and a few of us were still in school. I still ended up moving down Ypsilanti to go to college at Eastern Michigan.
    This was a total weird and kind of blind experience for me. This was my first time moving away from home, getting an apartment. I was enrolled in the marketing program at Eastern but I never met with anyone. I just registered for classes that I thought were under the marketing umbrella and I had no solid plan. I was pretty much flying solo on this one, I mean my dad was around but he wasn’t really involved in my college experience. He didn’t really have much interest in helping to guide me through that experience. I remember telling him that I was going to go to college and he was like how are you going to afford that opposed to how can I help. I figured it out for the most part but it wasn’t easy.
     
    So there was a lot of transition happening in my life. I had a somewhat new band, moved into my first apartment, with a new roommate and now going to new a school. I transferred from the Pontiac FedEx location to the Detroit location so I also had a new job with all new people.
    It’s funny looking back at it because it was just a lot of firsts happening all at once. The job was fine I was familiar with that, school although it was a little different and new, the band was familiar territory. I think the thing that was the most different was I lived on my own but with a roommate.
    I had met a dude named Phil a year or so earlier that was a piercer and he made and sold body jewelry. The first time I met him Earthmover and Spit were playing a house show at the Earthmover house. Which was in Brighmoor at like Telegraph and 5 mile in a pretty sketchy part of town.
    At the time I had my ears stretched to like 6 gauge with some crappy makeshift earrings in my ears because body jewelry was pretty new to the world and it was super expensive and kind of hard to find. Anyway he sets up this table going into the living room with a bunch of Captive Bead Rings on it and he hand writes the prices and they are extremely cheap. My friend Joe Harris was down at the show with us and we both looked at eachother and we were both super stoked. I think I bought 2 rings from him for like $24 bucks. That night when we got home Joe and I were trying to put them in my ears. So real quick this was actually awful and awesome at the same time.
    So Captive Bead Rings are basically pieces of the Steel that are bent and formed into about a ¾ ring and a hematite bead is placed in the middle. Seems easy enough except the bead usually sits in between the ring which means that you have actually pull apart the steel ring and place the bead in the middle and then the pressure will hold it in. They actually make tools for this called snap ring pliers they are basically pliers that go in instead of out. But when you come home and 3 in the morning from the rock show and you want to put your new earrings you have to improvise. We tried using pliers to open the ring to get the bead out but that wasn’t happening so we moved to plan B which should have been to wait until morning and go to the hardware store and get the right tool. But plan B was all about leverage, we needed more leverage. I remembering having the bead in my hand and I had Joe had a pair of pliers with 2 pieces of a drum stand. I had each end of the handle of the pliers inside of this drum stand and this gave us enough leverage to open the rings. We got the bead out and then we used this same set up to put the bead in my ring once it was in my ear. I remember this being sketchy and there being a few slip ups and thought I was going to rip my ear right off. It was pretty gross and there was a little blood here and there but eventually it all worked out.
     
    Anyway the guy that sold me the Jewelry at the house show was called Vegan Phil. He was actually a painting major at Eastern. He had a few different piercing studios in his house that I had taken a few friends to him to get stuff done so we kind of became friends. Phil is still one of my good friends today but in the early days I didn’t always understand him. He was an artsy kid and that was definitely something that I didn’t understand. If know Phil and I you have probably heard about our first day of school together.
     
    My first day at Eastern he came out of his bedroom and I was sitting on the couch eating some cereal and he was like hey do want to walk to school together? We lived probably a half mile from campus and it was nice out so we were gonna walk. So we went into our rooms to get ready for school and I put on what I think is pretty normal clothes. I had on jeans and a t-shirt and a hat. I had my backpack on and I was ready to go. This dude comes out with this outfit on that just floored me. Dude was wearing 1 white airwalk shoe, 1 silver airwalk shoe, a pair of cutoff brown cargo shorts with paint all over them, a dyed purple vneck T-shirt with a patch on it, a cut off T-Shirt sleeve for a headband and to top it off he was wearing a suitcoat. I remember being like “what are you doing with this outfit on?” He said “walking to school” I was like “hahaha not with me you’re not” we did walk to school and it was fine but I will tell you that do this day he still dresses that way and I have to applaud him for knowing who he was and is and just owns it like it’s nobody’s business.
     
    It’s funny if you fast forward a handful of years he ended up being a tenured professor at at art and design school in Grand Rapids where i enrolled and for a BFA in industrial design and he was my professor for a handful of classes. It was pretty awesome!
    I feel like I could tell tour stories and Phil and Wes stories for days but I think we will have to save them for another time. Let’s jump into what I learned from these crazy experiences.
     
     
     
     
    What I learned:
    I learned that even today people will travel and change career paths for just the smallest amount of money. Now granted I was only 18 but $3.00 more an hour was totally worth driving 30 miles away knowing full well that I couldn’t make that money where I was living in Flint. I think that there are lot of reason why people move industries. Money, Culture, commute distance, work load. I think the older you get and the more years you have under your belt that equation changes based on what’s happening on your life.
    I learned that you sometimes have to take a leap and do something that may be out of your comfort zone to get where you want to be. I said yes to joining a band that I liked on the spur of the moment. I had no idea the places that it would take me and the doors that it would open for me. It was like I said yes and then I just had to figure everything else out along the way. If you don’t take the chance you will never know what could have been. I am sure that there have been opportunities that you missed out on because you just decided to say no or you over thought the potential outcomes. Either way sometimes you have to just go for it.
     
    I think the last thing that I want to touch on is how I dealt with all these transitions as once. There is always a common thread in every story. For me it was doing everything at once, splitting my time and trying to do everything. I didn’t spend a lot of time sitting and thinking, I spent all my time doing. Playing in the band, going to school, working full time, playing shows on the weekends. I guess even back then I was trying to Hustle The Most.
    26 min
  • Hustle The Most Episode 11: Putting In The Effort
    Hustle The Most Episode 11: Putting In The Effort
    I really feel like putting in the effort will get you anywhere you want to go. I remember when I was kid I would always rush through my chores or whatever work I was doing just so I could do nothing. I think even when I started my first job I didn’t really understand what working was all about. My first job ever was at KFC. I was 16 and Eric who played in Jive and Spit with me got me a job there.
    Minimum wage at the time was $4.25 an hour.
    Which even to this day still blown my mind. My dad used to tell me how lucky I was because he used to pump gas in the freezing cold for a Nickel. I still don’t know if there was any real truth to that it seems a little low. I remember getting hired to work at KFC, I had to go to orientation. The orientation was help in this little out building the was painted like a small KFC. I seem to remember people calling it the chicken coop but I could totally be making that up. I was hired to be a cook I was going to cook chicken. The orientation was a lot more geared toward people working in the front. I remember there being some sort of customer roll playing around upselling and I remember me being super uncomfortable and bad at it. I wasn’t going to be anywhere near the front counter or dealing with customers but I still had to do the drill. There was one situational question where I was supposed to ask the person playing the customer if they would like to order a drink and I my response was something like
    “would you like something to wash down that chicken?”
    I can’t even believe I said that that’s probably the worst upsell in the history of upsells. Wow. What a bonehead answer! I think everyone laughed and she corrected me and we just moved on. The orientation was like 8 hours long and it was pretty much the worst thing ever but looking back on it I think that’s a right of passage that everyone should experience at least once in their life.
     
    Maybe you guys can tell me but I feel like the most stressful part of any job is the very first day. Everything is weird, and different and everyone knows what’s going on but you. It’s like walking into a class mid semester in the middle of a lecture.
    I think it’s pretty stressful. Take out the time and place and just focus on yourself for a minute. Think about the social aspect of it. How do you look, how do others things you look, are you going to fit in, will you like the people, will the people like you. How do you dress? Are you wearing the right clothes? So many things run through you head before you even walk in the door. This kind of stress and anxiety can make you literally not even want to show up. It’s almost like you would rather live in your parents basement than to have to go through that.
     
    Working in fast food was no different but they did take some of the guesswork out of the equation. Before I started they issued me 2 shirts, a pair of pants, a hat, apron, KFC belt and a pair of non slip shoes. It was all blue and white and had the cornels face and logo embroidered on it. I remember the first time I put this costume on and I looked in the mirror and I felt the like the biggest doofus to ever walk the earth. I remember feeling like I wanted to cry until I walked in the door and then I had this realization that everyone else was wearing the same obnoxious outfit. It was only weird to me.
     
    I think all of these all of these things that I dealt with when I was 16 are the same things that people deal with on every level. I have friends that are CEO’s of fortune 500 companies and they go through the exact same woes as a 16 year old kid walking into his first job. I mean it gets easier of course because if you have had more than in job in your life then you know what to expect. It’s not different than riding a roller coaster for the 1st time and then the 10th. It still may be scary but at least you know what to expect.
     
    I think like most young kids I had a handful of silly jobs between 16 and 20. I worked at KFC for maybe 6 or 8 months then left explore the world entertaining kids at birthday parties inside of a sweaty Chuck E  Cheese suit.
    Yes you heard me correctly yours truly used to be Mr. Chuck E Cheese. That job wasn’t really that bad. The way they do it is if you are in the Chuck E Suit then you are in it for 20 minutes and out for 20 minutes for an 8 hour shift. When you are out of the suit you basically fill up ice on the soda machines and help out wherever else you are needed until you gotta get back in the suit. You can’t talk in the Chuck E suit you basically just walk around and wave to kids and try not to get punched in balls. There are some specific site lines in the suit with some definite blind spots if you aren’t paying attention kids will just walk up and sock you and you have to do you best not to scream or go down like a sack of potatoes. That was another job that had an 8 hour orientation about making it fun for guests. Like I said it wasn’t really that bad there I mean the place is based around having fun so it kind of carries over a little to the work environment. I did lose my pager once when I jumped into the ball pit. I also lost my key and my wallet. I had like 5 people in there with me helping me find my stuff. It was pretty awesome. I think I was only there for like 4 months and then I got offered another job for more money.
     
    My buddy Jason was a cook across town at another restaurant called “A Chicken Affair” and I got hired then because I had “Chicken Experience”. I moved up from $4.25 to $4.50! I was balling at that point! This place was like a knock off KFC that catered to a more authentic southern fried chicken demographic. We sold things like livers and gizzards and okra and cod fish sandwiches and I got to cook all of it. This place was also pretty fun to work at I remember before I worked there my buddy Jason was working and he had someone quit on him in the middle of a shift so Eric and I when over there to help him catch up and then close his kitchen. It was almost like we were these major league cooks coming in from the corporate giant to help this little restaurant catch up and stay afloat. This place had some pretty funny characters that worked there. Everyone got along for the most part and there was always a lot of joking and pranking and even the occasional kitchen wrestling match. This company also did a good amount of catering so there were a handful of late night when they came back from a wedding or party with like 200 dirty dishes for us to clean. I spent a lot of time infront of dish sink at that place.
    Remember a few episodes back when I talked about how it’s all about who you know. That phrase is literally how linkedin started. I was getting pretty burned out working in the food industry and I was looking to get out of it. I think I quit and was just looking for another gig and hadn’t found anything. I applied a handful of places like Target and Meijer but I never got in the door. A few months later my cousin Jason called me, he was a manager at the Ace Hardware down the street from my dad house and he said “hey you still looking for a job” I said “YES” he said
    "come up right now and fill out an application and you can start tomorrow".
    This was like the best news ever not just because I got a new job that paid me $6.00 and hour but Ace hardware didn’t have a kitchen and they didn’t sell food so I wasn’t going to be cleaning grease off the steering wheel of my 83 Pontiac Fiero and smelling like food every day of my life.
    All this time I was still playing in a band and going to high school. I was living at my moms until I started driving then I pretty much moved back into my Dad’s house and just drove everyday from Flint to Grand Blanc to school. It’s funny I remember Eric and I both worked at the KFC and played in Spit together and we used to love to work together so they would schedule us together but then we would have shows like on a Friday night and we were always trying to both leave at early to get to the show.
    There is probably nothing grosser than working in a greasy chicken kitchen for 8 hours then changing in the car and getting on stage and sweating chicken life all over the place. Uggghhh!
     
    The hardware store was a different type of gig though it was customer service. This was totally foreign to me. My job there was to help the customers. It was big store and people were always coming in looking for someone to help them find something or solve a potential problem. I remember standing at the main aisle on my first day. I was looking good, I had my hardware smock on and a tape measure on my belt a pen and paper in my pocket.
    I was so ready.
    Then my first customer came down the aisle and I immediately started to sweat. I remember I went to say “ can I help you find anything” and I swear I almost swallowed my own tongue. Whatever came out of my mouth was definitely not those words and the guy didn’t even blink he was like “nope, I’m good just picking up window” I was relieved. I was off the hook until the next guy came in and this time I got the words out and he was like, “yeah I’m looking for the nuts and bolts”. I took him to the nuts and bolts and he was like “ok I got it from here”. It was awesome, he needed something and I helped him get it. This sounds pretty silly and miniscule but for someone that didn’t really like talking to people and had no confidence in their abilities as customer service person I was feeling pretty good about it. It was interesting because I was kid and people would come in looking for real help and when I would try to help them they would say “where’s the old guy at” they wanted someone with experience. Eventually I had to win every frequent customer over until they eventually started coming in saying “where’s the kid at, I need some brains”. I started drawing things out for them that connected electrical, or plumbing or whatever else they needed. This was my first job that I actually felt valued. It wasn’t even valued from the workplace but just the customers that I had helped.
    They appreciated it and they showed it often.
    So let’s get back to putting in the effort. At the hardware store we all had kind of side jobs. Sometimes it was to change all the prices on the spray paint or change product on an end cap or something. My thing was cutting glass and re-glazing windows and repairing screens. We had a lot of landlords in the area and they were always bringing in old windows and screens to be repaired from these junk houses that they rented out. At the hardware store is where I first heard someone say some words that will stay in my brain forever. Someone in an all store meeting said
    “you are going to be here for 8 hours either way so you might as well take you time and do the job right”.
    Remember how earlier I talked about rushing through my chores so I could just do nothing? This is what people did at work. They would do their side job and just blow through it just to be done with that task so they could do nothing. You know how people say it’s actually harder to look busy then to actually just do the work. That’s totally true and do you want to know why? Because the new variable comes into play that wasn’t there before which is your conscience and you wondering if other people are watching you pretending to be busy. How silly is that?
     
    Looking back at it these jobs they were probably not that bad but when you are 16 and you have to work instead doing anything else that just sucks. I think these jobs are a right of passage because even though the nature of the job may be awful they really teach you a lot of fundamental things about being in the workplace. Think about your first job for a second and some of the things that you carried with you from job to job and eventually into your career. Things like time management, punching in and punching out, accountability, how to work with others or ask for time off. These are all pretty basic things but you don’t know what don’t know. Taking the bumps and bruises and learning to navigate jobs in your early working life is what it’s all about.
     
    But let’s talk about what did I really learn from all this:
    I learned that no matter what your title is when you walk into a job for the first time it’s always weird. Weather you are a CFO or a cook at KFC you are jumping onto a giant moving treadmill you just have to do your best to asses what’s happening, ask good questions and learn on the fly. Day 2 will probably be better and day 300 you will hopefully be owning it.
     
    It’s interesting looking back on my first jobs 25 years later. I really learned that the culture in these places are what made the work bearable.  A lot of times the people you work with can make or break your job. When it’s good and when it’s bad it sucks!
     
    I think the last thing that I want to touch on are those feelings before you walk in the door. These are the same feelings that stop people from being successful. The same feelings that stop people from starting a business, doing a podcast, or doing what’s in their hearts. The key is to figure out what those barriers are for you and learn how to navigate around them and set yourself up for success.
    24 min
  • Hustle The Most Episode 10: Q & A With Hustle The Most.
    Episode 10 Q & A With Hustle The Most : What else do you do?
     
    As of today we are officially 10 episodes deep into the Hustle The Most Podcast. The response that the podcast has gotten so far has been fantastic, the support has been so great.  It looks like people are reading the blog and listening to the podcast on hustlethemost.com and iTunes which is great. I have been pushing the podcast around the web a little and have been getting some great feedback and a handful of questions.  Most of these questions came from the hustlethemost.com blog site and few came in from instagram. I think the interaction part is what this is all about so please If you do have questions about the blog or the podcast shoot me a DM on instagram or @ hustlethemost.com. I will do my best to answer everyones questions as soon as possible. For this Q and A episode I thought I would keep it short and just tackle 5 of the questions that came in and see how that goes. So let’s jump into it!
     
    What made you decided to start recording a podcast?
    The real reason is because I have always wanted to write a book about some of the adventures that I have had in my life. Writing a book about your life just seems like a pretty daunting task. It’s like having a grocery list with a 1000 item on it it’s like man where do you even start. I think like a lot of other things like starting a business or packing for a trip the getting started part is always the hardest part. For me it was easy I decided to start at the front of the store and work my way back. The podcast is really a way to get stories out and into something kind of tangible. The podcast and the blog site HustleThe Most blog run side by side and really give a glimpse into a certain time or story.
    I think like a lot of other people I have all these stories in my head from when I was a kid and some of them are pretty clear but some are a little fuzzy in certain spots. I used to have people in my life that could help me remember certain details. People like my Brother and my Mom and Dad.
    Most of the stories included some of all of us so if I missed something or remembered something differently they were always there to help fill in the rest of the story. My family was great at telling the same stories over and over again. It was always like “remember when Jason got that powder blue suit from Amvets and came up stairs and started breakdancing? ”  I shared a lot those stories with my Dad, Mom and Brother. Over a 13 year period I lost my Dad, Mom and Brother and all the connections I had to those stories are gone for the most part.
    The stories now only live in my head.
     
    I really think that when people stop talking and reminiscing about things they much easier to forget. So the podcast is a way for me to get these stories out of my head before I get too old to remember everything as clearly as I do today.
     
    As of recently I have a new why and another reason to keep moving forward. When I first launched the podcast, I launched episodes 1-4. A few days later I had gotten a message from someone thanking me for doing the podcast because they listened and it helped them.
    The podcast and my story actually helped them.
    They said they were going through a starting over phase in their life and my story gave them perspective. It gave them something that they needed that day to make it better. I almost started crying when I read the first message. It’s crazy because these are stories from my life and experiences that I have had and I do feel that there’s a lot of common ground and I feel that the are pretty relatable to people across all industries and from all walks of life. It’s the interactions like thad give me great reason to continue to do it. If my stories and experiences can give just one person clarity, or confidence or the willingness to try something then it's all worth it.
    Tell us more about learning to smile and how difficult that was?
    So if you go back to Hustle The Most Episode 2 you will hear the tough story about me wrecking my teeth on a skateboard and how I lived with a busted grill for a lot of years and then how I had to learn other ways to express myself the didn't involve smiling because I was insecure.
    20 years later with perfect teeth smiling is still something that struggle with today and not because I am unhappy in anyway but more because I am still fighting against 20 years of hiding my smile. Saying it out loud sounds really dumb and silly because smiling and laughing is such a natural reactionary thing that happens. Imagine if for 20 years every time someone told you a joke and you smiled they got to punch you in the face. Eventually you learn to stop smiling. It honestly just wares you down.
    It's exhausting spending your entire life feeling like you’re playing defense.
    To this day I am struggle with it and I still wait for that punch which was really my own insecurity that lived in my head.
    On a daily basis I still try to smile and completely suck at it. I don’t know how to do it. I’ve taken selfies, looked in the mirror and it just feels wrong every time. I think for the rest of my life it will be a work in progress and I just have to be ok with that.
     
    Are the guys from Spit still playing music?
    Everyone for the most part is still playing music Brandon who was on the podcast in episode 5 and 6 plays guitar in an amazing band called Braided Veins.
    I actually popped over to Brandon's house this weekend because we were in town and he happened to be having a record sale. He and I kind of started collecting tapes and CD's together years ago. I remember we had a rack of like 30 tapes and that was kind of a lot in the beginning. When I walked into house house he had boxes upon boxes of records. I was asking about him about where else he sells this stuff and he told me about his Discogs. I scored a sweet first pressing of the Minor Threat record. This record definitely changed our lives so it was awesome to have that record change hands at his house. Here is the link to his store Hyper Enough Records He has so much great stuff if you are a record collector. 
     
    Vince and Brandon and Eric played together in this band right after SPIT called Kid Brother Collective and now he plays in a really cool band called Deer Widow. Dan and Eric started a band called Dixie Hustler after he was done playing in Kid Brother and Dan has played harmonica and sang in a few different bands over the years. I am not sure if he’s playing with anyone now or not. Eric is touring all over the world with his honky tonk country band Whitey Morgan and the 78’s. And I play in a band called Old Fire here in Grand Rapids as well as fill for other bands once in a while.
    (Click on record cover to link to each bands bandcamp page)
    What is the best lesson that you learned from your brother Jason?
    The best lesson that I learned from my brother Jason was not to lie. This isn’t something that I really learned from as much as I learned by watching him. He would lie about the dumbest things and then he would tell a lie to cover up the original lie and he would just build up and then eventually spiral back down when the truth came out. I remember sitting in these long interrogation sessions with my mom and stepdad and my brother. We would sit there for hours and hours just going over the lies that told on something like him getting caught smoking. I remember my brother threw his cigarette butts in the toilet and then he didn’t flush it. My mom and stepdad were smokers but they never put their butts in the toilet. My brother spent hours trying to convince them that they did it knowing full well that it was him. He threw them in there and forgot to flush the toilet and he go caught so he was trying to lie his way out of it. Somehow there were 2 butts and not just one so then my mom thought I was smoking.
    I remember being like “it wasn’t me”. I don’t smoke.
    Then I was involved trying to explain to them that it wasn’t mine. His lies started affecting me so it pretty easy for me to say that all ended terribly so I’m not gonna do that!
    What else do you do?
    I work for an innovation center as a designer. Where I basically get to design the future. I design experiences, spaces, workflows and dabble in things like technology, architecture, and interiors. What else, I play drums in a band. I run a startup company called KBrakes.
     
    KBrakes is an anchoring system that’s designed to help drummers stop their drums from sliding away from them as they play. We have a handful of products that started as a napkin sketch and went to store shelves and are currently being sold in over 90 countries around the world.
    I do student mentoring and portfolio reviews for the local design school here in West Michigan as well as speak at various college events around design, start ups, and entrepreneurship. I also have a few start ups that I am working out the logistics on at the moment. So yeah all of this on top of having a wife and a family and all the various duties that include being a grown up like yard work, running kids to lacrosse practice, dinners, movies and all other things adult like. Hustle The Most is about doing more. It's about helping people and connecting through interactions, stories and experiences. IT's about move forward and doing you best with the tools that you have in your bag.
     
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  • Hustle The Most Episode 9: Building a Culture That Works
    Episode 9 Building a Culture That Works : When you are motivated you are always looking up to to the next big thing. 

    When you are in an international touring band there is always some sort of silent race going on with other bands. It’s not really a race because there isn’t really a finish line so it’s really a one up competition. Bands are always looking up to do the next bigger and better thing. Something better than what you buddies band is doing or has done. If you are touring a lot you want to get exposed to as many people as possible. You want new fans. Which mean you have to go and play for people that would not normally come to see you play. This is looking up.

     

     

    I remember seeing Clutch on tour with Sepultura in 1993. Clutch was one of the openers and they were playing for a total metal crowd. See how it works is they would come through as a supporting act and hopefully gain a bunch of new fans at that show and then they would come through as a headliner and hope that the new fans would come see them at their headlining show. This is how a lot of bands grow. This is also how a lot of bands die.

    We talked in the last episode about starting a band and how I got my feet wet and gained some playing experience. Today we are going to talk about what it’s like when something takes off. How does that affect you and your relationships.

     

    So my best friends in the world and I started this band called Spit. I was in 10th grade. This band was awesome because these were my friends, my boys, we did everything together. We went skateboarding, we went to theme parks, we went recording shopping and to shows. We did it all together. It was awesome!

    Playing in band with people you know well is pretty awesome especially if you are on the same page musically. There is this every running band encyclopedia of terms and feels that will never end as long as music continues to be written. It’s about referencing music when writing music. All great artists steal we know that. But what people may not know is that other bands names are throw around every single day in studios and practice spaces all over the world. When a band is writing a song it’s not uncommon for someone to say something like “give me more of a Bonham type beat” or “let’s do a prince type vocal break right there”. And when you are in a band with your best friends and you all listen to the same music together because you are together every day you can almost play it before they say it because you just know. The idea that I have enough space in my brain to remember 6,000 different drum parts that I didn’t write but can reference at any time just blows me away. Music and rhythm is powerful and it sticks in our brains like the craziest of glue!

    So in 1994 Spit recorded and released our first cassette that we called “Blue Collar”. It was a lot of songs that were kind of angry talking about things like getting kick out of class at school or how our families worked these blue collar jobs for pretty much nothing.

    This was the first thing that I had ever recorded that had any kind of feelings or emotions behind it.

     

    There were things that our singer Dan wrote about that were relatable to any 15,16,17 year old kid going through their days trying to navigate their emotions and just figure it out as they went. We were following that same trend that Jive and Melancholy Buzz did. We recorded a tape, we made shirts and eventually also did a live radio show at WFBE.

     

    We eventually started to draw kids to shows in downtown Flint which was kind of weird because normally it was just our friends that would come see us and then it was like friends plus 10 then friends plus 50 and so on. When other bands would come to town we would often get on the bill and be asked to play last so the out of town bands would have kids to play in front of.

     

    This was the courteous thing to do. If you drive 3 hours to play a show and everyone leaves after the local band and you play for 10 kids that stuck around that sucks for you as the band that traveled. This goes back to what I was saying earlier about Clutch it’s really the same thing just on a much smaller scale. In Flint though it was weird because we were young and I feel like it happened so fast. There was nothing cooler to hear than the promoter saying that “you guys have to play last because everyone will leave after you guys play”.

     

    It’s a weird things to hear and it can definitely get into your head.

     

    This is where you see a lot of bands start to demand stuff and more money and larger guest list and whatever else.  We were kids and we just wanted to play. I don’t know if people stuck around because they genuinely liked the band or if it was just the right music to get out their aggression out or maybe we were just up there being pure and honest and playing music that we loved and people gravitated towards that. Either way it was an amazing experience.

    We also released a 7” through some local label then then eventually a CD. The CD was called Buckham Alley and it came out in 1996. It was great to finally have a record out but the way that it all came together was kind of unusual.

    Spit for the most part was a punk band we liked the misfits, minor threat, the descendents and bands like that but we also loved bands like Sepultura, Slayer and Clutch. All of the earlier stuff that we had written was very much in that superfast punk style. That’s what we knew and liked so that’s what we did. 1994 was also the year that the Punk in Drublic record came out from NOFX and we bought that CD and just wore it out !!

     

    We all loved metal but never wanted to be a metal band because at the time metal bands were a lot of hair and leather and things that weren’t us. We were skater kids that just played music. We wrote and then recorded a bunch of songs with our friend Marc Hudson. Marc is the same dude that loaned us all the gear to record the Jive record. Marc worked at the local music store called Bogners and he also had a recording studio on the side. We recorded stuff with him all the time. So we had these songs and It wasn’t enough for a full record so I don’t remember exactly what the plan was but we had probably 6-7 tracks done and in the bag.

     

     

    Everyone in the band had this metal itch in them and eventually Eric and I started writing some more metal sounding stuff kind of for fun. They were riffy and super influenced by the Clutch. These songs were awesome and super fun to play but didn’t really fit in with the Spit punk type stuff but they were so fun to play that we just started writing more of them.

    This was also about the time that we discovered the band Earth Crisis. They were a vegan straight edge hardcore band from Syracuse that were talking the underground hardcore scene by storm. They were signed to this record label out of Chicago called Victory Records. Victory has a slew of bands that were very much where we were in the punk meets metal genre but they were doing it differently.

    The stuff was heavy and angry and had heart to it. This was totally a bridge for us. How can we play more metal type stuff but not have to look like metalheads. There were all these bands that we had never heard of that opened us up to other bands. It was like this crazy worm hole just opened up and we were all sucked right into it.

     

    All these bands like Strife, Integrity, Snapcase, Hatebreed, Bloodlet and more opened us up to even more bands like Quicksand, Orange 9mm, By The Grace of God and more. It was absolutely crazy. At the same time all this was happening we started playing shows out of town and in places south of Flint where we discovered local bands there that all sounded like all these new bands we just kind of found out about.. It was happening right under our nose and we just fell into it. Bands like Cold As Life, Earthmover, and Tank we all just 60 miles south of us and now we were playing shows together.

    To these bands it was cool because we were this young punk band from the streets of Flint and to us it was cool because this was like the eye to the whole new world that we had just discovered.

    I remember the first time we played in Detroit with Earthmover it was at a place called the 404 Willis. This place was in the Cass Corridor not too far from Wayne State University. I’m not going to lie it was a little creepy and pretty scary. We were from Flint so there wasn’t a lot of things that scared us but this was different.

     

    This probably isn’t the reality but I don’t feel like anyone was really in charge.

     

    There were people drinking 40s inside the show and it was pretty dark. It was winter so everything was kind of wet. I remember my drums were set up right behind the door and at the time I was playing shoeless and My feet were like ice cubes because they were probably wet from being outside and cold from people coming in and out while we were setting up and playing. This was probably the 4th or 5th show that we had played out of time and I feel like everytime we ventured out there was always something that strange.

    Once we played a backyard BBQ somewhere down near Detroit and there were all these drunk backyard moshers circle pitting around this giant bonfire as we played Minor Threat songs. I remember someone throwing something on the fire and me just feeling flames very close to my face while I was playing. It’s crazy sitting behind the drums can sometimes be the best seat in the house.

    Anyway now that we had been exposed to all of these new bands that were basically our bridge from Punk to Metal we were so stoked!  We started writing song after song and they all sounded like they could have been released on a Victory Style Sampler.

     

    Everything was written with a lot of influence from Earth Crisis and Snapcase and now Earthmover. It’s hard not to let things influence you but we were young we didn’t have “a sound” we just played what we liked and now we liked all these new Hardcore bands that changed the entire game for us.

     

    After we wrote 7-8 songs we decided to go in a record them. Mike from Earthmover had a studio at his house in Detroit and he was recording a lot of cool bands at the time. We struck a deal with him to go and lay down some tracks. It was cool for us younger kids to be down in Detroit hanging out with a band that we were heavily influenced by. It’s almost like seeing someone in a movie that you really liked and then you got to go to their house and hang out with them and they helped you work on your movie career or something.

     

    So eventually the we release all the recorded songs that we had on a CD called Buckham Alley. It was just a mix of different recording sessions. Some were from Flint with Marc some were from Detroit with Mike and 1 or 2 live tracks that were featured on other compilations. The CD was a joint release by Joel Rash’s label called Union Made Records and Derek Grant’s label called Sluggo’s Old Skool Records. We were pretty stoked that anyone was even entertaining the idea of helping us put out a record. We were really stoked to be working with Derek. He was the drummer for The Suicide Machines and it was just a really cool dude, amazing drummer and he liked our band. It was pretty awesome.

     

    Actually the first time that we played our out of state was at the a sold out show at the Metro in Chicago with The Suicide Machines, Square One, and The Broadways.

    The Suicide Machines had just released a record on a major label and they were on this tour and they were selling out shows all over the country.

     

    I remember I borrowed my Dad’s big blue Chevy Suburban and we loaded up all of our gear and headed to Chicago. I was 16 or 17 and had never driven out of state once minus the one time that I was driving to East Lansing from Flint and got on 69 East instead of West and ended up in Canada. So we were in chicago and I remember where being a Cubs game happening. So Wrigley field doesn’t have a parking lot so everyone just takes the train in or if they drive then they just park on the street and whatever pay lots they can find. So we get to the Metro and our name in on the Markee. Like frickin’ cool is that! There is no where to park because the game is going so we drove like 20 blocks away and then walked up to the venue. We were early so we just wanted to walk up and check everything out. We walked up and one of the guys at the club said hey where did you park and I told him and he just laughed and said there is a parking spot right out front that’s coned off for you guys. We were all like all man. I walked the 15 or 20 minutes back to get the suburban and drove it up to the club.

    I remember playing this show like it was yesterday, It was a sold out show at the Metro and we were just on top of the world. I remember we played about 6 or 7 of our songs and it was going ok and then Dan said “does anyone like NOFX” and the place went nuts to we played the song “BOB” and people just lost it. It was the most amazing thing ever.

     

    Spit went on to play a bunch of shows with some amazing bands. We sold shirts, CD,s Tapes, and patches and as most bands do Spit eventually fell apart and we all went on to play in other bands. We never made any money or gained any fame from it but we learned so much from those years playing together. I think at the age everything falls apart. We are so heavily influenced by the next thing it’s hard to stay on course. It’s like clothing styles, hair styles and anything else that is fad related while growing up.

     

    Funny this is a review from discogs on the CD:

    I bought this CD back in 96-97 while seeing Spit perform with The Suicide Machines at Flint Local 432 on Buckham Alley in Flint Michigan. The album is obviously named after the Alley the club’s door was on, and the first track “187” is about a shooting that took place there. It’s a great song and a great album. Don’t know if you can find it, but if you can, grab it. Slow than fast, true hard core, from real hard working guys. You’ve likely missed your chance to see them live, but I can tell you after seeing them at least three times in Flint, they sounded even better live than on the record. So much angst and energy. If you wanted to just get the song “187,” it is available on Amazon, off of an album called “The Michigan Compilation.” Costs 99 cents, and well worth it. p.s. Blue Collar rocks hard too…

     

    But let’s talk about what did I really learn from all this?

     

    I learned that when you are 16 and people think your band is cool it’s hard not to let that go to your head. I don’t think I let it get me but I’m sure at some point or another I probably thought I was too cool for school.

    This is why you see young music stars always getting in to trouble. Driving fast cars and just being all kinds of wild. It’s like Jay Z said you were celebrating the minute you was havin dough!

     

    We were nowhere near that level or anything but it’s the perception that other people have of you that can create pressure and under pressure is where people blow it.

     

    I learned that most motivated people are always looking up. Always looking to create and to move forward. We are always looking and do the next thing bigger and better than the last. It’s always a push or a grid or a hustle. There isn’t and end, there is never end. I was having this discussion a few weeks ago about if I won the lottery would I come into the work the next day. I think I would come to work because I love what I do but If I didn’t it would be because I started 10 new companies that day and I am doing that now.

    It’s funny looking back on this 25 years later. Spit worked well because we were friends first and band mates 2nd. We built a culture between all of us that just worked and we are still all friends to this day.

     

     

     

     

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  • Hustle The Most Episode 8: My First Entrepreneurial Experience
    Episode 8 My First Entrepreneurial Experience : How I started recording record in my garage and became a cassette hocking entrepreneur!

    Being an entrepreneur is kind of scary because there is always some sort of risk involved. We know that risk and assessing risk is definitely a learned behavior. There is a group activity that we do in the design world called the “Marshmallow Challenge”. The idea is that you split a room into teams and you give them all the same supplies that consist of 20 sticks of dry spaghetti one yard of string. one yard of tape, and one marshmallow with a goal of creating the tallest standing spaghetti tower with a marshmellow top after 18 minutes. This is a really fun activity and we learn to much from it about prototyping, design, structure, teamwork and communication. I have done this with groups of kids and groups of professional adults. Across the board kids crush the adults over and over again.

     

    This may not make complete sense as I am talking about about so let me tell you why. These groups of adults consisting of designers, engineers,  and even architects have years and years of experience but it totally works against them. They spend the majority of time planning and assessing what will and won’t work and negotiating ideas with each other. They spend their time assessing risk and failure. The kids generally haven’t been exposed to as much risk and failure so they’re natural instinct is to just try it and if it tumbles they try again. They fail over and over again but in the end they will prove to be more successful that most teams of adults. I never realized how much recording my first ever band release was like the Marshmallow challenge until I got much older and of course started facilitating the Marshmallow challenge to large groups  

     

    So let’s jump into this. So my best friends Brandon and Eric and I decided to start our first band. I use that word in the loosest sense possible. It was our first real band with a name and actual songs. We talked little about this band toward the end of Episode 6.

    The band we started was called Jive and we were pretty awful but I think at the time we probably thought we were awesome. We didn’t know anything about being in a band we were just some kids that ended up getting instruments together because we were friends.

    This was 1991 and the Nirvana Nevermind record had just came out and Grunge was all the rage. Brandon had met this guy named Dan Hosie. He played guitar and sang in this band called Melancholy Buzz. They used to play these basement shows in Flint  for their friends and whoever else would show up.

     

    It was kind of weird, I went to a few of them and it was actually pretty cool.. This was my first real live and upclose band experience. These dudes would play and someone would start a little basement mosh push pit and eventually someone ended up going through the wall. They actually recorded a live cassette and released it. It was called live from the Buzzment. We talked about that tape for a long time. In our heads it was this huge release, people we actually knew recorded and released their own music it was so epic!

     

    Anyway Dan and Brandon were talking one day and about he and I playing together and kind of starting a band. Our friend Chris was going to be our bass player but like Brandon mentioned in an earlier episode he bought a bass and never really learned to play it so we needed someone else. We decided to have Dan come over and play with us. He was a few years older than all us and he had all this band experience. I still remember him showing up at the garage with this 2X12 Crate combo guitar amp that he was going to play bass out of. Up until this time I had never played with a bass player. It was always just Brandon and I and our friend Eric that started playing with us. Dan plugged in that bass and it was like my whole life changed. It was so live sounding and it had low end and the best thing was he could actually play. Brandon and I were both very much in the early learning stage of playing our instruments so we were kind of stoked to be playing with someone so much more seasoned than us. This was my first rhythm section experience and it was awesome.

     

    I don’t actually remember us having a discussion about him joining the band I just remember us playing and then when we were done it was more of a Ok when are we going to play next?

    We just kind of went with it.

     

    We started writing songs right away and we had no idea what we were doing. Someone would just have an idea and we would just start all playing it and then it would be called a song. We had pretty limited ability so our songs were pretty terrible but this is how you learn to get better.

     

    So Jive eventually wrote a handful of songs and we decided that other people had to hear our band. We had to share these with the world so we prepared to record a cassette!  Most people would maybe go to a studio to record but when you are 14 and broke you use that you have. Remember when I said before that when you are poor you learn to get creative. The local music store where we bought all of our guitar string and drum heads was called Bogners and the owner was friends with Dan and he let us borrow all this recording gear. It was like 5-6 mics and stands and cables and a 4 track tape recorder. We lugged all this gear over to my dads garage and set it up and started tracking.

     

    It was crazy within a year I had gotten a set of drums, saw my first live basement show, started a band, got a bass player, wrote songs and now I was going to record a cassette that I would sell to the world!

    The recording process was pretty cool I had no idea how it all worked I just played the drums and they recorded me playing. In almost every recording that you hear today the drums are the first thing to get layed down. Any rock, metal, punk whatever band it’s drums first and it totally sets the stage for the rest of the recording. Ignorance is bliss and there was absolutely no pressure on me I was just a kid playing the drums on some songs that my buddies and I wrote. We did drums, bass, guitars and then it was time to do vocals. We could barely afford our instruments so we never had a PA to sing out or at practice and we also didn’t have a singer. Dan and I had both had written some lyrics but we had never sang them out loud. I had never sang anything before and I wasn’t a singer and I was barely a drummer so of course this was going to be a trainwreck.

     

    He and I sat down in front of each other both with microphones in our hands and just let the vocals fly. We laughed a lot trying to not only sign but sign these pretty ridiculous lyrics that we had written. The first song on the list was called “Your Mom Drives A Bus”. It was written about our other friend Eric who’s mom drove a bus for one of the school districts in Flint. This was a very new and awkward experience. We got through it and in the end we had our cassette. The release was called “Dog Boy” named after an article that we saw in the enquirer about a boy that was born with an actually face of a dog.

    We only had 5 songs to record so those were the gems that landed on the tape. The tape had 2 sides. Some local bands would just leave the other side blank but we all thought that was dumb so we decided that we would just put the same songs on the other side but we would record them backwards. The 4 track recorded had a play in reverse option so we just took the songs and recorded them to a each tape in reverse. This was super funny to us but other people didn’t seem to like it so much. We actually had a few people that told us that they took their car into Dukes which was the local car stereo place in Flint because they thought something was wrong with their tape player in their car. They had an automatic flip tape deck in their car and when the tape would flip it would start playing all the songs backwards. It was freaking people out and when we heard about it we all died laughing.

     

    We dubbed and sold a whopping 80 tapes. These tapes were white stickered tapes that were left over melancholy buzz tapes that Dan had from the Live at the Buzzment recordings. The jackets were a color photocopied collage type graphic of the Dog Boy story from the Enquirer. We even put our own Parental Advisory sticker on it. It may sound somewhat legit as I am explaining but let me clarify that it absolutely was not in anyway legit.

     

    It’s funny thinking back we had this tapes and we didn’t really play many shows so we didn’t really have anywhere to sell them other than at school. We were all hocking tapes out of our backpacks to our friends at school. We all went to different schools. If you know Flint area schools we had Grand Blanc, Clio, Carmen and Southwestern all covered. I think after people buying it an taping it for other people it eventually made its way around to a few hundred people.

     

    We were official entrepreneurs releasing a product that we created and we were going to sell them to the world!

    Eventually as all things do when you are 14 Jive faded out and we all started doing other things. I ended up joining Dans other band Melancholy buzz and we did a similar thing. We wrote some songs and recorded a tape, sold them around school, we played bunch of shows at the different venues around Flint including my first live on the air radio show. This was station WFBE in basement of the now closed Central High School in Flint. Playing live on the air was actually pretty sweet.

     

    Brandon and Eric and I never stopped playing together even though we weren’t in a band together we all still hung out and played music  and skateboarded and went to shows together. Eventually when the melancholy buzz wore off we decided start kind of new thing that was pretty much Jive but without Dan we actually ended up with a different Dan who was the singer of this new band that we called SPIT. It was cool starting something new with the people that you grew up with. We had all had a few years of playing under our belts and when we got together it was like an entirely new band. It was like going forward in time where everyone knew how to play their instrument and knew how to converse about musical ideas it was pretty cool.

    Around that time I spent countless hours every day in my garage playing my drums. Music and drumming definitely didn’t come easy to me. There are people in this world that can pick up and instrument and be great at it immediately. That was 100% not me. I had to work at it. I practiced everyday for years. It would be -20º out in my garage and I would be out there with a small heater just banging away. Same thing in the summer it would be 100 degrees out in the and probably 125º in the garage and I would be in there just sweating away playing the drums. Sometimes I would have people in there with me playing music but a lot of the times it was just me by myself. Thinking about this really brings up a good point about training for something or working towards a goal. That road is often a pretty lonely road. It’s strange because the only one that can do the work is you but everyone else will see and notice the results. It’s sometimes sad but also gratifying at times. I didn’t feel like I was getting any better at drumming and it was so gradual that I didn’t even notice until someone said something like “man you been practicing”. It was actually really awesome..

     

    Spit was a fun band and maybe the most fun I’d ever had playing music. There is something about that time that was so pure and being so unaware of anything else going on around you and just being in the moment and playing together. We were not afraid to fail we just keep the train moving at all times. We played what we liked and we were completely up apologetic about it. Spit was like us starting all over again and the really the beginning of us understanding the music business in some form or another.

     

    I will say that Spit was probably the jumping off point for me when I started to really understand what it meant to add value to something. Drumming and understanding songs and songwriting was a new skill that I found out later was very in demand eventually would lead down the path of fee for service and having the ability to live off of my craft.

     

    But let’s talk about what did I really learn from all this:

     

    This is where I started to understanding networking and showing up and then doing more. This is the start of me going down this path of being a professional drummer and touring the world. It kind of all stems back to me being asked to Join Melancholy Buzz. If I didn’t work had, practice and show up that probably would never have happened. So basically I owe a thank you to Dan Hosie for that opportunity.

     

    I think 95% of the jobs and gigs that I have gotten in the world are based on who I know.

    It’s all about who you know. Some of the best guitar players you have never heard of are guys that spend all their time with their heads down honing their craft and never come up for air. Greatest guitar player in the world that you have never heard of and will probably never meet. If you want to get out there and succeed you have to do it all. It’s kind of like creating a product. If you make a thing that’s great! Now you have to make more of them and package them and figure out how to sell them. Sometimes showing up is not enough you have to do more.

     

    For me the lesson of the day is that ignorance is bliss. The best times that I have ever had playing music was in my garage where I wasn’t worried about writing specific types of songs, or how many records I would sell or how big or small the tour was going to be.

    It was pure, simple and fun and it was the absolute best!

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About Hustle The Most

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Do you have hustle? Hustle The Most is a series of short stories that really focuses on getting it done. How we apply our learnings to make our failures into our successes. We fail often but the…