Tonight there are two new participants: Ryan who likes to kill animals for the fun of it and is on Anti-Psychotics. He works in a hosptial as an aide.  Then there is Scott who is unable to take responsibility for his violence as he keeps justifying it by claiming that is wife is not following the rules. Aebner is apparently maing real progress as his wife's family have become aware of the tension in his relationship with his wife and are coming to offer support twice a week. 

I talk about feeling suicidal given the plethora of negative emotions and sense of guilt and shame for my past conduct which have hurt others. I speak of suicide as a just punishment for past ills. Unlike Scott who cites a platitude, "Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem," I believe that there is recognition of it being a solution however permanent and the provision is for temporary problems. What in the case is done when the problem is endemic?