In episode 7 of Pastor Pastor, we examine the nature of true conversion and the perils of being deceived about our own salvation. Wes reflects on the early years of Christ Memorial Church and the surprising movement of God’s Spirit in committed members who were professing faith. As their eyes were opened and their hearts truly transformed, the evidence of God's saving work became clear to those around them. Wes shares how this helped clarify in his own mind the fruit of true conversion, and gently guides us through how we, as shepherds, can support others in this journey.