Lesley Carhart of Dragos, also known as Hack4Pancakes on social media, is a lifelong breaker and builder of things, and their insights on the deep mechanics of Industrial Control Systems are an absolute must-hear for any of you even considering this space. Carhart also talks about their keynote at this year’s Blue Team Con, the differences between incident response in the military vs. the private sector, and why standard cybersecurity studies won’t take you as far in ICS as it will to learn how train track switchers work. Seriously, this is one of the best episodes I’ve ever been a part of, and I can’t wait for you to hear it!

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0:00 - ICS security 
3:40 - Getting started in cybersecurity 
9:13 - The early days of the internet
11:05 - Air Force cybersecurity 
12:50 - Military cybersecurity training 
15:00 - Incident response work at Motorolla
18:40 - Technical director of incident response
23:30 - State of ICS
39:13 - Starting work in ICS
41:57 - Keynote speaker at Blue Team Con
46:46 - Bringing diversity into ICS
53:46 - Outro 

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