If You Really Knew Me

God’s fingerprint for each of us is SO unique and wonderful. Learn more about it on this week’s podcast episode of If You Really Knew Me as Ben and Kim dive deeper into how people of the same Enneagram type can look different from one another based on their subtypes.

Remember, the better we know ourselves, the better we can connect with others.

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If you’re not sure where to start but want to know more, refer to Ep 2 - The Enneagram Explained

Info credit: Beth McCord (Your Enneagram Coach)

Hosts: Kim Willey and Ben Sorrells

Ben is a Certified Enneagram Coach through YEC and Beth McCord

Helpful Links:

Discover your Enneagram Type: Here's one that we like! YEC Enneagram Type Assessment

Learn about all 9 types: 9 Types Overview

In-depth Enneagram Courses: YEC Enneagram Courses

Please share If You Really Knew Me with a friend if you enjoyed this episode. If You Really Knew Me is still growing, and your positive review and 5-star rating would help.

The Bridge Podcast Network is made possible by generous support from The Boardwalk Plaza Hotel and Victoria’s Restaurant on the boardwalk in Rehoboth Beach, Delaware - Open 7 days a week, year-round - Learn more at https://boardwalkplaza.com

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Do you ever wonder how people of the same Enneagram type can look so different? This is due to a variety of things: Levels of health or alignment with The Gospel (refer to episode 12); our Enneagram Wings; and our subtype. 

In this episode host Kim Willey and Certified Enneagram Coach, Ben Sorrells will be discussing WINGS. Each Enneagram type has two adjacent wings that we use to influence our personality and behavior.

Wings are the personality types on either side of the main type. One of those adjacent wings is more dominant than the other. We can choose the healthy side of our wings to help enhance our main type and guard against blindspots we may not see.

Would you like to have YOUR question answered and maybe even featured on a future episode? Submit your enneagram question to

[email protected]

If you find this information helpful to you, SUBSCRIBE and journey with us.

If you’re not sure where to start but want to know more, refer to Ep 2 - The Enneagram Explained

Info credit: Beth McCord (Your Enneagram Coach)

Hosts: Kim Willey and Ben Sorrells

Ben is a Certified Enneagram Coach through YEC and Beth McCord

Helpful Links:

Discover your Enneagram Type: Here's one that we like! YEC Enneagram Type Assessment

Learn about all 9 types: 9 Types Overview

In-depth Enneagram Courses: YEC Enneagram Courses

Please share If You Really Knew Me with a friend if you enjoyed this episode. If You Really Knew Me is still growing, and your positive review and 5-star rating would help.

The Bridge Podcast Network is made possible by generous support from The Boardwalk Plaza Hotel and Victoria’s Restaurant on the boardwalk in Rehoboth Beach, Delaware - Open 7 days a week, year-round - Learn more at https://boardwalkplaza.com

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How can the Enneagram help you communicate better with your kids? If you are not supposed to "Type" others, how can you narrow down your kid's type? In this episode, hosts Kim Willey and Ben Sorrells discuss ways you can narrow down your child's type and ways to look at your own parenting style.

Helpful Links:

StoryJumpers Podcast - https://wearethebridge.org/storyjumpers

Fathering Podcast - https://wearethebridge.org/fathering

If you find this information helpful to you, SUBSCRIBE and journey with us.

If you’re not sure where to start but want to know more, refer to Ep 2 - The Enneagram Explained

Info credit: Beth McCord (Your Enneagram Coach)

Hosts: Kim Willey and Ben Sorrells

Ben is a Certified Enneagram Coach through YEC and Beth McCord

Helpful Links:

Discover your Enneagram Type: Here's one that we like! YEC Enneagram Type Assessment

Learn about all 9 types: 9 Types Overview

In-depth Enneagram Courses: YEC Enneagram Courses

Please share If You Really Knew Me with a friend if you enjoyed this episode. If You Really Knew Me is still growing, and your positive review and 5-star rating would help.

The Bridge Podcast Network is made possible by generous support from The Boardwalk Plaza Hotel and Victoria’s Restaurant on the boardwalk in Rehoboth Beach, Delaware - Open 7 days a week, year-round - Learn more at https://boardwalkplaza.com

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In this heartfelt episode, hosts Kim and Ben sit down with celebrated CCM artist Jordan Feliz. Known for hits like "The River," "Beloved," and "Jesus Is Coming Back," Jordan opens up about his Enneagram journey, how it influences his life and music, and the ways it has shaped his relationships—with his wife Jamie, their children, and those he meets on the road.

Jordan candidly discusses the challenges and strengths of being an Enneagram Type 9 with a 1 wing, the importance of empathy, and how learning about personality types has improved his marriage and parenting. He also shares the inspiration behind his children’s book “Beloved,” and the story of how gratitude helped him overcome a painful season of anxiety, inspiring his latest single, "Somebody Praise God for That."

Together, Kim, Ben, and Jordan delve into the beauty and burden of being a peacemaker, navigating different personalities within family and friendships, and the spiritual growth that comes through gratitude and self-awareness.

KEY TAKEAWAYS

• Enneagram Journey: Jordan is an Enneagram Type 9 with a 1 wing. He highlights how understanding his type, and those of others, has brought empathy and patience into his life, marriage, and parenting.
• Energy, Personality, and Performance: Despite common perceptions about Type 9s and energy, Jordan discusses how being an “extroverted nine” impacts his performance and interactions, noting that meet-and-greets can be more draining than concerts because of their emotional intensity.
• Marriage and Communication: Learning about Enneagram types has strengthened his marriage. Understanding his wife Jamie’s (Type 6, wing 7) needs and communication styles helps them find common ground, especially during challenging conversations.
• Parenting: Jordan and his wife observe emerging personality traits in their children, tailoring their parenting approach to support their uniqueness and foster secure identities.
• "Beloved" and Affirming Identity: The book and song “Beloved” were born from a desire to instill unconditional worth in children, combating cultural pressures with the truth of God’s love.
• Anxiety & Gratitude: Jordan’s story of overcoming a season of anxiety by intentionally practicing gratitude demonstrates the transformative power of thankfulness and praising God in all circumstances.
• Spirituality in Practice: He emphasizes that living out faith is about day-to-day relationship and practicing gratitude, not just “checking off” religious duties.
• Future Orientation: Jordan shares that he and his family are learning to live with open hands concerning the future, choosing faith and flexibility as they wait on God’s guidance.

RESOURCES

Jordan Feliz Official Website: www.jordanfeliz.com

Beloved (Children’s Book): Learn more about the inspirational children’s book referenced in the episode. store.centricitymusic.com/products/beloved-book

MUSIC BY JORDAN FELIZ

• “The River”
• “Beloved”
• “Jesus Is Coming Back”
• “Somebody Praise God for That”

WAYS TO CONNECT

Newsletter: Subscribe for further information about enneagram types and regular updates from the podcast. Visit our website, wearethebridge.org/enneagram, to subscribe and find more episodes, resources, and show notes.

Social Media: Follow us for updates and more encouraging content:

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Email: Have questions or suggestions? [email protected]

Subscribe and Review: Don’t forget to subscribe to us on your favorite podcast platform and leave a review to help others discover the show.

Would you like to have YOUR question answered and maybe even featured on a future episode? Submit your enneagram question to [email protected]

If you find this information helpful to you, SUBSCRIBE and journey with us.

If you’re not sure where to start but want to know more, refer to Ep 2 - The Enneagram Explained

Info credit: Beth McCord (Your Enneagram Coach)

Hosts: Kim Willey and Ben Sorrells

Ben is a Certified Enneagram Coach through YEC and Beth McCord

Helpful Links:

Discover your Enneagram Type: Here's one that we like! YEC Enneagram Type Assessment

Learn about all 9 types: 9 Types Overview

In-depth Enneagram Courses: YEC Enneagram Courses

Please share If You Really Knew Me with a friend if you enjoyed this episode. If You Really Knew Me is still growing, and your positive review and 5-star rating would help.

The Bridge Podcast Network is made possible by generous support from The Boardwalk Plaza Hotel and Victoria’s Restaurant on the boardwalk in Rehoboth Beach, Delaware - Open 7 days a week, year-round - Learn more at https://boardwalkplaza.com

Feedback, or Show Ideas? Send an email to [email protected]

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We are ALL in some type of relationship whether it be married, engaged, dating or friendship. Since communication is key in relationships, this next episode of If You Really Knew Me takes a look at each personality type’s communication style. Tune in as Ben & Kim will share how to understand, listen and respond to your significant other in a healthy way.

Helpful Links:

Becoming Us - Using the Enneagram To Create A Thriving, Gospel-Centered Marriage

Becoming Us - Course for You and your spouse's specific types

If you find this information helpful to you, SUBSCRIBE and journey with us.

If you’re not sure where to start but want to know more, refer to Ep 2 - The Enneagram Explained

Info credit: Beth McCord (Your Enneagram Coach)

Hosts: Kim Willey and Ben Sorrells

Ben is a Certified Enneagram Coach through YEC and Beth McCord

Helpful Links:

Discover your Enneagram Type: Here's one that we like! YEC Enneagram Type Assessment

Learn about all 9 types: 9 Types Overview

In-depth Enneagram Courses: YEC Enneagram Courses

Please share If You Really Knew Me with a friend if you enjoyed this episode. If You Really Knew Me is still growing, and your positive review and 5-star rating would help.

The Bridge Podcast Network is made possible by generous support from The Boardwalk Plaza Hotel and Victoria’s Restaurant on the boardwalk in Rehoboth Beach, Delaware - Open 7 days a week, year-round - Learn more at https://boardwalkplaza.com

Feedback, or Show Ideas? Send an email to [email protected]

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They’re coming in concert to the Delaware State Fair on Tuesday, July 22nd, and you can get to know more about them BEFORE they arrive... they're Caleb and John.

Check out this month’s podcast episode of If You Really Knew Me as Ben and Kim sit down with The Bridge artists Caleb and John. We learn how the Enneagram is a tool they utilize in their lives, all while keeping their focus on Jesus.

WAYS TO CONNECT

Newsletter: Subscribe for further information about enneagram types and regular updates from the podcast. Visit our website, wearethebridge.org/enneagram, to subscribe and find more episodes, resources, and show notes.

Social Media: Follow us for updates and more encouraging content:

**Instagram**:@enneagrampodcast

**Facebook**:@enneagrampodcast

Email: Have questions or suggestions? [email protected]

Subscribe and Review: Don’t forget to subscribe to us on your favorite podcast platform and leave a review to help others discover the show.

Would you like to have YOUR question answered and maybe even featured on a future episode? Submit your enneagram question to [email protected]

If you find this information helpful to you, SUBSCRIBE and journey with us.

If you’re not sure where to start but want to know more, refer to Ep 2 - The Enneagram Explained

Info credit: Beth McCord (Your Enneagram Coach)

Hosts: Kim Willey and Ben Sorrells

Ben is a Certified Enneagram Coach through YEC and Beth McCord

Helpful Links:

Discover your Enneagram Type: Here's one that we like! YEC Enneagram Type Assessment

Learn about all 9 types: 9 Types Overview

In-depth Enneagram Courses: YEC Enneagram Courses

Please share If You Really Knew Me with a friend if you enjoyed this episode. If You Really Knew Me is still growing, and your positive review and 5-star rating would help.

The Bridge Podcast Network is made possible by generous support from The Boardwalk Plaza Hotel and Victoria’s Restaurant on the boardwalk in Rehoboth Beach, Delaware - Open 7 days a week, year-round - Learn more at https://boardwalkplaza.com

Feedback, or Show Ideas? Send an email to [email protected]

Download The Bridge Mobile App to get the latest podcast episodes as soon as they are published!

In this episode of If You Really Knew Me, Kim and Ben discuss using the Enneagram to show the specific areas that we need to let Christ transform.

For each type, we'll look at our view, where we get stuck, how we try to fix it, and what we can become in Christ.

WAYS TO CONNECT

Newsletter: Subscribe for further information about enneagram types and regular updates from the podcast. Visit our website, wearethebridge.org/enneagram, to subscribe and find more episodes, resources, and show notes.

Social Media: Follow us for updates and more encouraging content:

**Instagram**:@enneagrampodcast

**Facebook**:@enneagrampodcast

Email: Have questions or suggestions? [email protected]

Subscribe and Review: Don’t forget to subscribe to us on your favorite podcast platform and leave a review to help others discover the show.

Would you like to have YOUR question answered and maybe even featured on a future episode? Submit your enneagram question to [email protected]

If you find this information helpful to you, SUBSCRIBE and journey with us.

If you’re not sure where to start but want to know more, refer to Ep 2 - The Enneagram Explained

Info credit: Beth McCord (Your Enneagram Coach)

Hosts: Kim Willey and Ben Sorrells

Ben is a Certified Enneagram Coach through YEC and Beth McCord

Helpful Links:

Discover your Enneagram Type: Here's one that we like! YEC Enneagram Type Assessment

Learn about all 9 types: 9 Types Overview

In-depth Enneagram Courses: YEC Enneagram Courses

Please share If You Really Knew Me with a friend if you enjoyed this episode. If You Really Knew Me is still growing, and your positive review and 5-star rating would help.

The Bridge Podcast Network is made possible by generous support from The Boardwalk Plaza Hotel and Victoria’s Restaurant on the boardwalk in Rehoboth Beach, Delaware - Open 7 days a week, year-round - Learn more at https://boardwalkplaza.com

Feedback, or Show Ideas? Send an email to [email protected]

Download The Bridge Mobile App to get the latest podcast episodes as soon as they are published!

In this episode of If You Really Knew Me, Kim and Ben discuss using the Enneagram to point out how the Gospel frees you to become your best self.

We'll look at what our Auto-Pilot or average mindset, our unhealthy version, and our healthy selves in each type can look like.

WAYS TO CONNECT

Newsletter: Subscribe for further information about enneagram types and regular updates from the podcast. Visit our website, wearethebridge.org/enneagram, to subscribe and find more episodes, resources, and show notes.

Social Media: Follow us for updates and more encouraging content:

**Instagram**:@enneagrampodcast

**Facebook**:@enneagrampodcast

Email: Have questions or suggestions? [email protected]

Subscribe and Review: Don’t forget to subscribe to us on your favorite podcast platform and leave a review to help others discover the show.

Would you like to have YOUR question answered and maybe even featured on a future episode? Submit your enneagram question to [email protected]

If you find this information helpful to you, SUBSCRIBE and journey with us.

If you’re not sure where to start but want to know more, refer to Ep 2 - The Enneagram Explained

Info credit: Beth McCord (Your Enneagram Coach)

Hosts: Kim Willey and Ben Sorrells

Ben is a Certified Enneagram Coach through YEC and Beth McCord

Helpful Links:

Discover your Enneagram Type: Here's one that we like! YEC Enneagram Type Assessment

Learn about all 9 types: 9 Types Overview

In-depth Enneagram Courses: YEC Enneagram Courses

Please share If You Really Knew Me with a friend if you enjoyed this episode. If You Really Knew Me is still growing, and your positive review and 5-star rating would help.

The Bridge Podcast Network is made possible by generous support from The Boardwalk Plaza Hotel and Victoria’s Restaurant on the boardwalk in Rehoboth Beach, Delaware - Open 7 days a week, year-round - Learn more at https://boardwalkplaza.com

Feedback, or Show Ideas? Send an email to [email protected]

Download The Bridge Mobile App to get the latest podcast episodes as soon as they are published!

Has someone ever wronged you, and you can’t seem to get past it? Maybe you struggle with even wanting to forgive the person.

On this podcast episode of If You Really Knew Me, Ben & Kim talk about the seven steps of forgiveness and how it’s affected by our enneagram type and the process you walk through.

Feel free to reference this below in case you need more to chat about:

Forgiveness is something we ALL have to tackle. If you are struggling today, I encourage you to seek the Lord. Only He can give you the strength you need to be able to forgive others AND yourself.

WHAT FORGIVENESS IS (AND IS NOT)

• Forgiveness is giving up your right to hurt someone who has hurt you.
• Forgiveness does not diminish the wrong done against you.
• Forgiveness is not a denial of what happened.
• Forgiveness does not take away the consequences the other person will face because of his or her actions.
• Forgiveness is an act and a process. Even when a person decides to forgive another person, feelings of relief or healing are usually not immediate. Forgiving someone can be difficult and uncomfortable.
• Forgiveness is not weakness. It is the most powerful thing you can do. It breaks the hold that has been put on your life. Refusing to forgive allows the person or thing that was hurtful to you to continue to hurt you.
• Forgiveness does not mean forgetting. Forgiveness does not require you to become a “doormat.”
• Forgiveness does not require you to open yourself up to the offender to be hurt again.
• Forgiveness does not wait for the offender to apologize or earn forgiveness in some way.

WAYS TO CONNECT

Newsletter: Subscribe for further information about enneagram types and regular updates from the podcast. Visit our website, wearethebridge.org/enneagram, to subscribe and find more episodes, resources, and show notes.

Social Media: Follow us for updates and more encouraging content:

**Instagram**:@enneagrampodcast

**Facebook**:@enneagrampodcast

Email: Have questions or suggestions? [email protected]

Subscribe and Review: Don’t forget to subscribe to us on your favorite podcast platform and leave a review to help others discover the show.

Would you like to have YOUR question answered and maybe even featured on a future episode? Submit your enneagram question to [email protected]

If you find this information helpful to you, SUBSCRIBE and journey with us.

If you’re not sure where to start but want to know more, refer to Ep 2 - The Enneagram Explained

Info credit: Beth McCord (Your Enneagram Coach)

Hosts: Kim Willey and Ben Sorrells

Ben is a Certified Enneagram Coach through YEC and Beth McCord

Helpful Links:

Discover your Enneagram Type: Here's one that we like! YEC Enneagram Type Assessment

Learn about all 9 types: 9 Types Overview

In-depth Enneagram Courses: YEC Enneagram Courses

Please share If You Really Knew Me with a friend if you enjoyed this episode. If You Really Knew Me is still growing, and your positive review and 5-star rating would help.

The Bridge Podcast Network is made possible by generous support from The Boardwalk Plaza Hotel and Victoria’s Restaurant on the boardwalk in Rehoboth Beach, Delaware - Open 7 days a week, year-round - Learn more at https://boardwalkplaza.com

Feedback, or Show Ideas? Send an email to [email protected]

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In this insightful episode of "If You Really Knew Me," hosts Kim and Ben welcome Pastor Larry Davis, an experienced leader in managing change within church communities. The episode delves into the complexities of change, likening it to a grieving process, and discusses how different personalities navigate change.

Pastor Larry introduces his book, "Grieving the Loss of the Church You Love," highlighting how understanding the emotional aspect of change can aid in smoother transitions. The conversation also explores the Enneagram types, offering personalized strategies for handling change effectively.

KEY TAKEAWAYS

1. Change and Grief Connection: Change often triggers a sense of loss, similar to the stages of grief. Recognizing this can help individuals and communities navigate transitions more effectively.

2. Understanding the Why: Addressing the underlying reasons for resistance to change can transform perceptions and facilitate acceptance.

3. Enneagram Insights: Each personality type processes change differently. Understanding these differences can lead to more empathetic and effective leadership and support.

4. Leadership in Change: Effective leaders should practice active listening, validate emotions, and tailor their approach to suit individual needs and the collective goal.

5. Spiritual Perspective: Embracing change can lead to spiritual growth, as it mirrors the death, burial, and resurrection process inherent in Christian faith.

RESOURCES

Engage with these resources to deepen your understanding of managing change both personally and within your community.

Pastor Larry Davis's book "Grieving the Loss of the Church You Love"

Visit PastorLarryDavis.com for further insights and resources

WAYS TO CONNECT

Newsletter: Subscribe for further information about enneagram types and regular updates from the podcast. Visit our website, wearethebridge.org/enneagram, to subscribe and find more episodes, resources, and show notes.

Social Media: Follow us for updates and more encouraging content:

**Instagram**:@enneagrampodcast

**Facebook**:@enneagrampodcast

Email: Have questions or suggestions? [email protected]

Subscribe and Review: Don’t forget to subscribe to us on your favorite podcast platform and leave a review to help others discover the show.

Would you like to have YOUR question answered and maybe even featured on a future episode? Submit your enneagram question to [email protected]

If you find this information helpful to you, SUBSCRIBE and journey with us.

If you’re not sure where to start but want to know more, refer to Ep 2 - The Enneagram Explained

Info credit: Beth McCord (Your Enneagram Coach)

Hosts: Kim Willey and Ben Sorrells

Ben is a Certified Enneagram Coach through YEC and Beth McCord

Helpful Links:

Discover your Enneagram Type: Here's one that we like! YEC Enneagram Type Assessment

Learn about all 9 types: 9 Types Overview

In-depth Enneagram Courses: YEC Enneagram Courses

Please share If You Really Knew Me with a friend if you enjoyed this episode. If You Really Knew Me is still growing, and your positive review and 5-star rating would help.

The Bridge Podcast Network is made possible by generous support from The Boardwalk Plaza Hotel and Victoria’s Restaurant on the boardwalk in Rehoboth Beach, Delaware - Open 7 days a week, year-round - Learn more at https://boardwalkplaza.com

Feedback, or Show Ideas? Send an email to [email protected]

Download The Bridge Mobile App to get the latest podcast episodes as soon as they are published!