Quote: “We’re not saying get rid of your contractors, but we have data to strengthen what you’re already doing.”

In this episode of the Ignite Podcast, Michael Waitze is joined by Patrick Connolly, the Founder, and CEO of Anility, whose vision is to make construction nightmares a thing of the past. Dedicated to empowering construction teams with accurate and reliable data to identify any risks quickly and effectively during the contractor vetting process, Anility values both transparency and accountability to their clients. 

They discussed Patrick's experience around leaving the comforts of a stable job, the problems present within the construction industry, the role of technology, and what risks Anility is able to eliminate in the contractor vetting process. 

Building a Future in Construction

Born and raised in a family working in the construction industry, Patrick naturally followed in their footsteps. He explained that upon his time studying Engineering at the University of New South Wales he found himself wondering if that was really the path for him. 

“I realized engineering wasn’t for me, it was a little too mathematical and I was a more hands-on management type of guy,” said Patrick. 

He promptly transferred into a Project Management course following his realization and upon his graduation, he got his first job as a contract administrator. Patrick detailed his experience working in that role and the different responsibilities he was given as he progressed his career. 

Venturing Into Startups

When asked about what his friends and family thought about him leaving his stable job and venturing into the unknown world of startups, Patrick laughed and said “most of my friends and family still ask me what I do.”

Most people who leave their relatively safe and secure jobs to join the world of startups are because they see a problem they want to fix, and that they want to make an impact. Patrick admitted that his end goal was to always own his own construction company, and while working he started to realize that there was a major problem. 

Patrick explained that he found that within the construction industry, the actual process of vetting subcontractors was extremely difficult as everything was from word of mouth and nothing was ever documented. Which was how the idea of Anility emerged. 

Constructing Transformation

“You can invest in the best technology, but if you pick the wrong contract to work on your project, you’re going to end up with all sorts of problems,” Patrick highlighted. 

Technology may be on the rise and has shown to improve our livelihoods from every day tasks to more complex issues, but they can’t fix everything. They discussed how crucial it is to manage risks to projects which includes establishing a prequalification process for contractors. 

As Patrcik states, “you can invest in the best technology, but if you hire a contractor who does not have the skills, quality, financial capacity to take the job on in the first place,” the project is doomed for utter failure. He then goes on to explain how Anility mitigates these risks and allows for transparency and accountability through the help of data. 

To learn more about Patrick Connolly and how he has constructed transformation in the construction industry, listen to this episode of the Ignite Podcast today.

The episode summary was expertly written by Panchanit (Pang) Thawornwong.

Quote: “I’ve always been a bit of a geek.”

In this episode of the Ignite Podcast, Michael Waitze is joined by Darren Moore, the Head of Development of Arthur Online, a cloud-based property management platform dedicated to boosting efficiency and saving time with over 145,00 properties listed. In addition to that, he’s also the Managing Director of Firecreek, a company developing a wide range of digital products with a passion for top quality code building, committed to providing usability, accessibility, and quality service. 

They discussed how a simple rivalry between brothers became Darren’s passion and future, the rapid development of technology, process of writing code and working in an agile environment.

A Tale of Two Brothers

“Both me and my brother were magnetised to technology,” revealed Darren. 

Growing up in a family that already had an interest in technology; with his older brother learning about programming in college, and his father working with technical processes, Darren had always had a deep fascination with all aspects of technology.

He explained that he had always been a bit of a geek, and had been programming and hacking around from as early as 12 years old. But it was really the rivalry between him and his brother that kick started his passion for it all. 

Darren explained that although his brother had been studying programming at school, he refused to teach Darren any of it, and the natural need to one-up each other as siblings led to him to take matters into his own hands and he started learning programming himself. 

“I remember sneaking into his room and stealing his disks, those little floppy disks and seeing what he had built and putting them onto my own computer,” laughed Darren. 

This interest in technology, combined with his strong passion, led the way for Darren’s career. After doing some work experience during school, at just a mere 14-years of age, he was working freelance developing HTML websites. 

The Rise of Dead Knowledge

“I learnt a lot over those years, but all the stuff I did learn is dead now,” said Darren.

The digital landscape is in a state of perpetual change. It goes without saying that technology has come a long way and has helped make our everyday lives more convenient in every aspect of life. 

Darren revealed that although he learnt a huge amount of information in his early years, about both programming, coding, and everything in between, his knowledge of technology is just dead knowledge now. He explained how different things have changed such as how to put up sites, how to host them and the language of coding. 

They go on further to speak about how Darren’s team has managed to stay current with all the various emerging technologies in the world, and the different processes they employ such as working in sprints. 

Building Everything From Nothing

When asked whether or not it’s difficult to build something out of nothing, regarding coding for digital products, Darren shared that for him “it’s the most fun part.” 

Building digital products, let alone businesses, takes an undeniably strong combination of skills, strategy and execution. For some, starting with a blank canvas is incredibly daunting, and just like art, each decision you make on that canvas could either result in a masterpiece or, well, just an accident. 

Darren shared that he enjoys the creative freedom a blank canvas gives, however, he highlighted that there is a huge difference between starting with a blank slate for something you are cre...

Quote: “To really thrive and survive in fitness, you need some elements of technology woven into your concepts.”

In this episode of the Asia Tech Podcast, Michael Waitze is joined by Jack Thomas, the Founder, and CEO of BASE and the host of the Fitness Business Asia podcast. Awarded as Bangkok’s Best Studio in 2020 and voted Gym of the Year at the Fitness Best Awards in 2018, BASE offers a variety of different training with their unique BASELINE® technology seamlessly woven into each training session that helps them monitor and track their fitness progress.

They discussed Jack’s journey as a fitness entrepreneur, how he went from working in retail to corporate to then starting his own boutique fitness chain that has changed the fitness landscape in Asia, as well as the intersection of technology and fitness.

The Corporate Realisation

“It sucked the soul out of me working for a soulless corporation,” Jack admitted. 

After making the decision to not attend university after highschool, Jack worked a variety of jobs from pushing trolleys in IKEA to working in retail for both H&M and GAP, until he finally landed a job working in a bank. 

“I thought it would be a good career opportunity and progression for me,” he said. Jack explained that after his experience working in retail, he felt beyond lucky and exceptionally proud to be where he was and happily rode that wave.

However, like any wave, regardless of how high and forceful they may rise, they must all eventually collapse within themselves. And as the sparks of his new banking job slowly dissipated, so did Jack’s soul, and he realised that the corporate life in the UK was never going to be the path for him. 

It wasn’t long before Jack made the decision to explore a different career path, and after saving some money, he took his first step into his new future and hopped onto a plane to Thailand. It was there that he discovered a gap in Thailand’s health and fitness market. 

Finding His Base

Over the recent decade, boutique fitness has been on the rise and is only getting increasingly more popular each year, with its movement being felt globally. Bangkok is now home to some of the best boutique fitness centres in Asia, but this wasn’t always the case. 

One of the first people to dip their toes into these unchartered waters of Bangkok’s fitness industry was Jack Thomas. After identifying the gaps in Thailand’s fitness market in regards to gyms and fitness centres, Jack decided to make his career pivot and acquired a personal training qualification back in the UK. 

After that, Jack worked in a small fitness studio for 5 years where he gained the experience and developed the skills he needed to run his own fitness centre, and it wasn’t long before he set up BASE. 

Intersection of Technology and Fitness

“I didn’t realise the intersection in the beginning, there was no real discussion 9-10 years ago,” Jack reflected. 

Technology has made a disruption on every business in a variety of industries around the world - and the fitness industry is definitely no exception. New technological innovations are changing the way we exercise and have started to transform our everyday fitness activities, and BASE has now jumped onto this trend. 

To bring an element of recording and tracking to their client’s fitness progress, they’ve created their own digital product called BASEline, where members can track their workouts and how they’ve done after each class. 

Jack shared his insight on the advantages of the edge technology and how BASE has gamifi...

Quote: “Do you want the money, security and the common life path, or to take a risk and just go for it?”

In this episode of the Ignite podcast, Michael Waitze is joined by both Paul-Henry Boudet and Jonathan Lemish, the two co-founders of Meetric, a tool to record, share and search any new tasks and actions decided in meetings. As a productivity tool, Meetric mitigates the extra work and wasted time along with poor collaboration to ensure the success and completion of any tasks and goals related to meetings.

They discussed the origins and development of Meetric, how their two paths collided, speed dating for business and the challenges they have faced in the process of changing user behaviours with their innovative solutions. 

Speed dating for business

“Meetric came very organically halfway through the event,” revealed Paul. 

 Although they had originally begun their careers on incredibly different paths, Paul as a software engineer and Jonathan as a businesses analysis and project manager, through chance and luck their paths collided at an accelerator program back in Sydney called Antler. 

Throughout the course of the event, Paul and Jonathan discussed their goals and what a working relationship between them would look like, and after a few weeks of fleshing out problems and validating their ideas, Meetric was born. 

“We’re kind of the poster child for Antler,” laughed Jonathan. He revealed that they not only did not know each other prior to the program, but they both didn’t have any idea on what they wanted to work on. Infact, he revealed that everything came together organically through the design sprints and the program itself.

They then further discussed their experiences working together and what it’s like to be in a cofounder relationship, taking that initial leap of faith and their own goals and motivations that lead them to where they are now. 

Manufacturing Meetric

“We want to build a product people love, and to do that you have to listen to your users,” explained Jonathan. 

One of the main problems everyone faces regardless of  the industry they are in, is the inefficiency of time management during meetings. The small loss of productivity during meetings can eventually lead to more significant problems in other areas down the line, and that’s what Meetric is here to alleviate. 

“The problem we’re trying to solve is getting lost. We try to solve that problem by providing a stand alone web application that integrates with your calendar but also syncs with your other productivity tools,” said Jonathan. 

They further elaborated on their strong vision for Meetric and the product’s backlog and plan to match and the importance of feedback from users.

Challenge of changing behaviours  

“We want to make the transition as frictionless as possible,” they said. 

Changing someone’s behaviours can be incredibly challenging, especially if they’ve been doing things a certain way all their life. To change a certain behaviour, the person must make a conscious decision and effort to do so, which is easier said than done. 

Paul and Jonathan revealed the challenges they faced along the way  in their efforts to get people to see value in their tool, and revealed the value of creating an opinionated innovative solution. They discussed how creating an opinionated solution is inherently better and how they have crafted their digital product around that approach. 

To learn more about both Paul-Henry Boudet and Jonathan Lemish’s journey from their initial meet-up...

Quote: “ Invest more, take more, higher initiatives.” 

In this episode of the Ignite Podcast, Michael Waitze is joined by Masahiko Honma, the Co-founder and General Partner of Incubate Fund, a venture capital specialising in the seed stages of startup investing. Since 2010, the establishment had invested $340 million in seed startups making them the biggest investors in the early stages in Japan. 

They discussed his early investments and reasons behind his interest in investing in the seed stages of these startups, talked about going global, and revealed the enigma behind what drove him into investing in specific startups.

The Seed Stage and the Probability of Success 

“I want to be able to find potential in a business opportunity,” said Masahiko. 

Masahiko expressed his devotion for Biotech startups as he remarked on his interest in life sciences. He specifically focused on the seed stages of investment in which he provided funding by contributing to the advancement of business ventures. 

As a venture capitalist, he wanted to be the one that had the means to detect success. He wanted to be able to give his full effort towards attempting to ascertain the prosperity of business opportunities. Masahiko explained that his approach favors the idea that investors should choose a more curated bet which solely depends on a number of founders in that specific opportunity. 

Masahiko then elucidated the importance associated with risks and how investors should continue to take and invest in more in order to dig deeper into each of the stages of opportunity. He claimed that it's the investors job to “encourage researchers and technologists to gamble and set the variation” in order to survive in competitive markets. 

The Evolution of Founders

“Not a big change so far.”  

When asked about what had changed overtime, Masahiko was convinced that the new founders are getting older by the years. Founders back then tend to be in their late adolescent years whereas now the anticipated age range is much higher. 

Similarly, Masahiko pointed out that today, it is compulsory for startupers to have a computer science background. With the market constantly shifting to where innovations involve new technology, founders are expected to possess if not acquire the skills that enable them to play a vital role in communities. 

Overall, Masahiko interpreted the change in age as being very inconsequential. With time comes different investment opportunities, the market however is the main determining factor, and startups will have to adjust to fit the market accordingly. 

What to Look For When Going Global 

“If the investor isn’t there how will the founders trust the investor.” 

Masahiko had been investing globally with funds set up independently. He had informed Michael on the general partners assigned to look at the funds globally to maintain good relations with founders. 

He highlighted the practicality of avoiding market saturation which can only be done by specific founders. Masahiko was firmly convinced the founders act as differentiators and believe in the idea that some business opportunities can be successfully done by specific founders. 

He explained the Founder Market Fit theory and placed emphasis on commitment and instincts. “I need the type of people that have deep thoughts into each specific idea to solve day to day,” he claimed. 

To learn more about Masahiko Honma and investing in venture capital businesses, listen to this episode of the Ignite Podcast today.

Quote: “You can read all the books you want but until you actually do it you never know what it’s like.”

In this episode of the Ignite Podcast, Michael Waitze is joined by Jeremie Tisseau, the Founder and CEO of Morphosis Apps, a premium design first digital agency. Morphosis started as a small UX/UI agency and has now transformed into an end-to-end digital agency. As a design first agency, Morphosis offers a myriad of services from design and development, to SEO and marketing, all of which are dedicated to elevate their client’s business through a strong focus on user experience. 

They discussed how Jeremie stepped foot into the UX/UI industry, the significance of being able to reinvent yourself and how he went from a one man freelancer to employing nearly fifty people. 

Designing A New Path 

“I was really miserable,” Jeremie revealed. 

Despite having over 15 years of experience in the design field, Jeremie had actually never intended on becoming a UX/UI designer, let alone becoming a CEO and Founder one day. 

Originally, he had studied instrumental optics for several years in France, after which he acquired a job in the Canary Islands in Spain. There, he worked as a technician in optics for 4 years, during which he realized just how miserable his field of work made him and that he was ready for a new path.

He revealed that he stumbled upon this new path in a purely serendipitous accident. He explained that he had wanted to learn more of both English and Spanish and knew of people who did too, however, back then there wasn’t any website for meeting groups of people yet. 

Jeremie decided he would just try to create a website and planned to hand out booklets and flyers in the streets. It was through this that he discovered his love for design and just how much potential he had in the field.  

The Reinvention Process

“I learnt how to simplify my designs,” he explained.

After realizing his newfound potential in the design field, he wasted no time in improving his knowledge and understanding of not just creating designs, but designing codes. 

“For my first website, I went crazy on the design, then when I tried to code it I realized it wasn’t going to work,” laughed Jeremie. He explained that back then coding something was a lot more complicated than it would have been to do it now. As a result, he learnt how to simplify his creations whilst still maintaining an effective design and a powerful impact. 

They discussed Jeremie’s reinvention process and how crucial it is to be able to adapt and change, as well as how he forged his career path that expanded in opportunities and possibilities. 

One Man Army to Business Owner

“You have to fail a lot, the faster you fail the faster you can learn,” he reflected. 

Entering a new field of work was never going to be an easy transition. There will be many bumps along the way, and you’re inevitably going to make a myriad of mistakes. 

When making these mistakes, you can feel like you’re learning less, when in reality you’re actually learning more. The transition from a one man army to employing your first set of employees and becoming a business owner can be particularly tough. 

Jeremie details the mistakes he made along his path to success, revealing that he “spent a lot of time solidifying the agency” and always tried to ensure he was recruiting those who believed in his dream. 

He then describes “the spark” he looks for when recruiting people,

Quote: “I joined as employee number six.”

In this episode of the Ignite Podcast, Michael Waitze is joined by Jianggan Li, the Founder and CEO of Momentum Works,  a Singapore-based company dedicated to venture building for companies trying to delve into new markets. Their expertise in all major markets, along with their quality resources, allows Momentum Works to support a variety of companies build their businesses through developing their systems, models and projects, and more. In this podcast, they discussed Jianggan’s experience of working with smaller businesses as opposed to large corporations, his experience running a venture, the Time Machine Theory, and competing with China. 

Is Bigger Always Better?

“I don’t think it was a deliberate choice to be in a small firm,” said Jinggan. 

After graduating from university in Singapore, Jinggan was faced with multiple opportunities, and he found himself torn between working for a big corporation, or a startup company. But as a fresh graduate, the idea of flexibility and the new challenge of adapting to changing environments, as well as coming up with new perspectives, gained his interest. 

After years of experience working in both startups and large corporations, Jianggan reflected on his journey, what he learned along the way, and whether or not he would’ve done things differently. 

He revealed that if you were to ask him now, he “would’ve preferred to stay in bigger companies longer” and that “there were some lessons (he) had to learn the hard way.” Michael and Jianggan both discussed their own experiences in the two different worlds and shared their insights on how it impacted their careers down the line. 

The Time Machine Theory

Different markets and countries are in different stages of development, and some businesses are more future-orientated than others. Take the multi-million dollar example of Apple, who continues to create products that people didn’t even know they wanted until they were made. 

It seems as though these businesses have travelled into the future to produce gadgets and other products that are so uniquely successful. And although it is impossible - as of right now - to travel into the future, you may be able to create a future by bringing the present into the “past.” 

Jianggan discussed the Time Machine Theory, and how projecting current businesses models that are already successful to countries or businesses that are a few years behind could lead to a digital disruption that would propel them into another world of opportunities. 

Competing in South East Asia

“To be a successful company, you need to look at international markets,” Jianggan said. 

One of the most, if not the most successful markets in the world is China. It is one of the fastest emerging marketings in the entire world, and is expected to become the world’s largest economy in the foreseeable future. With its economy having a track record of success, it may be surprising to see why Jianggan has not invested in China. 

“It’s not that you’re not good, it’s that the speed in which you evolve is not as fast as local players,” said Jianggan when asked about why he’s not invested in China. 

He also said that “understanding the nuances and subtleties of a business is crucial for early stage investing.” He then went on to give insights on how to successfully emerge in international markets and what he looks for before investing. 

To learn more about Jianggan Li and his experience in the best of both worlds - startups and corporates,

Quote: “We’re not a static job board, we are not a static list and we’re not like LinkedIn.”

In this episode of the Ignite Podcast, Michael Waitze is joined by Marc Wohling, the co-founder of !Kontakte,  a web-based platform and mobile application that helps link employers to potential candidates. As a free talent marketplace, !Konttakte is dedicated to solving recruitment problems through offering a more targeted, immediate and flexible service that’s unique to the recruitment industry. In this podcast, they discuss Marc’s unusual path to foundership, the conceptualization of their operating system for global contingent and the Fourth Industrial Revolution. 

 From Techno to the Tech Industry

Born and raised in Southern Australia, Marc has had quite a unique journey on his path to foundership. His family all had working backgrounds so it was no surprise that he followed in their footsteps, leading him to work in the trade construction industry. 

Marc explained that during that time, he had fallen in love with music, so much so that he decided to study it whilst doing his apprenticeship in construction. He revealed that his love for the arts and music grew over time and led him into the world of electronic music. This was his beginning in his interest in technology. 

His new journey into the tech industry, through his degrees in Environmental Science, led him down a path in the global consulting industry. He tells Michael about his experience doing work with sustainable livelihoods, organisational development, UX/UI design and how he adopted technology into !Kontakte. 

Fusion of Digital Technologies and Humans

“The enormous computing power that we’ve seen is going to push us into a society that’s augmented by machine learning and Artificial Intelligence,” said Marc. 

As the boundaries between technology, in the physical, digital and biological world, become increasingly blurred, it has paved the way for more digital transformations and disruptive technologies in almost every industry around the world. 

However, as a result of this, there is a level of hysteria brewing, with some arguing that this new age could lead to an increasingly segregated society. With some low-skill/low-pay jobs slowly fading into the background, there could be a potential risk for social tension - which is where !Kontakte comes in. 

Marc discusses his motivations behind !Kontakte, and how he believes !Kontakte plays an integral role in helping people of all backgrounds and ages adapt to the rapidly changing working environment as they transition to the Fourth Industrial Revolution.

On-demand  Connections

“We’re not a static job board, we are not a static list and we’re not like LinkedIn.”

Whether you’re applying for a job or trying to recruit someone for it, the anxious wait while you’re in limbo waiting for a response can be excruciatingly stressful. And with our current on-demand economy, speed and efficiency is highly sought after. 

Marc explains the common recruitment problems for businesses, such as slow response times, high recruitment fees and wasted time rummaging through applications that aren’t even suitable for the job offer. He then goes on to detail how his platform mitigates these issues by operating in real-time. 

As a result, Kontakte has become an efficient and intuitive platform that has been layered on top of already existing infrastructures, successfully adding value to a common problem everyone experiences. 

To learn more about Marc Wohling and his insight on the Fourth Industrial Revolution,

Quote: “The selling starts when the customer says no.” 

In this episode of the Ignite Podcast, Michael Waitze is joined by Sarah Huang, the Regional Director of New Business at Burda Luxury, a publisher of luxury content. With over 300 magazines published in the region, and a team of over 10, 000 employees, Burda Luxury is dedicated to creating high-quality content for millions of readers in both Asia and Europe. They discussed Sarah’s background and how she got to where she is today, her impressive career accomplishments, and what she’s learnt from them. 

Build, Attack and Conquer

“Entrepreneurism has always been deep-rooted in my family life,” said Sarah. 

After immigrating from Indonesia, Sarah spent most of her childhood growing up in Australia. She said that life wasn’t always easy, and hinted to the financial difficulties they faced. Like many around the world, Sarah didn’t have the privilege to go to university or afford a university education, but what she did have was a fascination with technology. 

She explained that growing up, she was always around computers with her step-father and brother, whether it was taking them apart and piecing them back together or playing video games. Her interest in business came surprisingly through games like SimCity and World of Warcraft, all of which were about building, along with attacking and conquering. 

They spoke about how there is always a struggle on the path of entrepreneurship and went on to discuss the glamourization of the constant struggle, the meaning of money, and how their concept of gratitude changed throughout the years. 

Never Taking ‘No’ As An Answer

“I had a job I was eyeing, but I had absolutely failed in the interview and didn’t pass the aptitude test. I was rejected,” she said. 

Any form of rejection isn’t pleasant. Emotions like sadness, disappointment, and even anger often arise and can be intense. Sarah shared that despite the fact that she got rejected for her dream job, she still couldn’t imagine herself working anywhere else. Which was when she decided to make the courageous - if not crazy - decision to work for free. 

“It was probably one of the dumbest things I ever did, but it actually resulted in a lot of success,” she recounted. However, after merely three-days, she got hired full-time. Sarah detailed her uphill journey from start to finish and they discussed the importance of perseverance and determination.

The Right Answer

From digital consultancy, project management, to CEO, the list is neverending. Sarah has had a number of years of experience in a variety of industries. In this podcast, she shared the crucial lessons she’s learnt about aspects of team building, business building, inventory management, and more. 

Despite being rejected from her dream job on her first try, the tables turned and Sarah ended up being on the other end where she was tasked with hiring the perfect candidates for different roles. 

She shared the one question she will always ask candidates that gives her insight on the true character of the person, and the shocking answers she's received in the past that either make or break the interview.

To learn more about Sarah Huang and her global journey, from rejection to success, listen to this episode of the Ignite podcast today.

This episode was expertly edited and produced by Alanis Braun. You can see her portfolio here and her LinkedIn profile here. The music called "Clear Progress" was created by Scott Holmes.

In this episode of the Ignite podcast, Michael Waitze is joined by Anouk van der Laan, the Head of Innovation at Nest.vc, a corporate innovation accelerator and incubator for a variety of businesses. Based in areas with developing markets, such as South East Asia, the Middle East and East Africa, Nest.vs is dedicated to helping businesses adapt in the age of digital transformation. In this podcast, they discuss Anouk’s global experience in the corporate world, along with the market gap she discovered between corporate and startups.

Around the World

From the Netherlands to Uganda, Japan to China, and Australia to Bangkok, Anouk has gained valuable insight and experience working in a variety of cultures and environments. 

In this podcast, Anouk explains her journey from a physicist to working in the Venture Capital and Private Equity industry, what aspects of her physicist degree helped her, and the corporate insight she gained from years of experience in the field. 

Bridging Gaps and Forming Connections

“Connect. Collaborate. Scale.” is the motto at Nest.vc.

Working in a company that is a ‘corporate innovation accelerator and incubator’, Anouk has gained expertise in bridging the gap between corporate businesses and startups. She discusses the key differences and growth requirements for both of these types of businesses in order to see what the best execution would be to drive success. 

She then goes on to explain how she bridges the gap to form a successful connection to help both of them grow, such as defining key problem statements and finding the right specific collaboration opportunities for both parties. 

The Startup Mindset

“If I don’t get venture capital funding, then I don’t get funding at all.”

With the fast-paced and ever-changing digital environment, it’s suggested that businesses should generally adopt a “startup mindset,” one that is flexible, agile and adaptable. However, Anouk discusses how this recommended startup mindset could potentially be what kills startups themselves. She goes on to explain the different routes startups go down to get funding, and how most startups want to acquire venture capital funding. They discuss how funding should not determine the success or validation of startups, as well as alternatives for capital that startups can aim for.

To learn more about Anouk van der Laan’s journey around the globe, gain insight into how innovation consultancy is changing and growing, listen to this episode of the Ignite podcast today.

This episode was expertly edited and produced by Alanis Braun. You can see her portfolio here and her LinkedIn profile here. The music called "Clear Progress" was created by Scott Holmes.