Who won, who lost, who cares? What really matters about Tuesday's debate is how it shifts the polling and, eventually, the final result. Rich Baris joins to discuss why, whatever the spin about Tuesday, surveys show the public souring on Kamala the more they get exposed to her. Scott Mitchell of Rasmussen describes the state of the electorate and the evidence his polling firm is seeing that independents have moved sharply to the right.

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