This is a tale of two governing bodies. In this episode, we go to grad school on the stark differences between Illinois' municipal and state pensions. Lissa Druss and Thom Serafin are in our chat room with Naperville's city manager, Doug Krieger and Mark Fowler, executive director of the Northwest Municipal Conference. Both leaders have been instrumental in stabilizing city pensions across the state, but reforms in Springfield may threaten that stability. We'll get into a conversation about why Illinois's pension system is far more attractive than those of neighboring states. Plus, you'll hear what's driving moves to fix what isn't broken.