About Meg Crosby and Howard Cleveland:
Meg Crosby is a seasoned strategist, trusted advisor, and champion of culture. With a deep background in organizational development and executive leadership, Meg brings clarity, compassion, and candor to the often-complex work of aligning people with vision.
Howard Cleveland is a big-picture thinker with a gift for systems, structure, and sustainable solutions. Howard’s career spans nonprofit leadership, executive coaching, and change management, and he’s widely respected for helping leaders turn good intentions into measurable impact.
Together, they co-founded PeopleCap Advisors with one core belief: people are the capital that drives change. Their work empowers nonprofits, foundations, and social enterprises to scale purposefully—with strategy, alignment, and leadership at the core.
In this episode, Kevin, Meg, and Howard discuss:
- Developing and retaining talent
- Relational vs. transactional leadership
- The importance of people strategy in organizational success
- Preparing high performers for leadership roles
- Building trust and authentic connections within teams
Key Takeaways
- A thriving partnership isn't about sameness — it's about balance. When Meg and Howard combine their unique backgrounds in law, HR, and organizational development, they create a powerful approach to leadership that transcends individual expertise.
- Talent is the most critical capital in the knowledge economy. Leaders who invest in developing, valuing, and sometimes liberating their employees create organizations that are more innovative, resilient, and successful.
- Relational leadership transforms transactional management. By focusing on trust, understanding, and individual potential, leaders can create environments where people feel genuinely valued and motivated to excel.
- Purpose drives performance more powerfully than control. When leaders shift from monitoring tasks to developing people, they unlock creativity, commitment, and sustainable organizational growth.
- Leadership is a skill that can be learned, not an innate trait. By providing clear frameworks, ongoing development, and time to lead, organizations can transform high performers into exceptional leaders who build thriving teams.
"Everyone deserves to find a place where they are valued, where they feel valued, and where they can add value." – Meg Crosby
"Delegation is often viewed as a transaction, but to be effective, it's a relationship, and it takes time to develop and it takes time to explain." — Howard Cleveland
Connect with Meg and Howard:
Website: https://www.peoplecap.com
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/meg-thomas-crosby-6424781a/ | https://www.linkedin.com/in/howardcleveland/
Connect with Kevin Neal:
Website: https://drkdneal.com
Book: https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0C47RZDSS
https://www.amazon.com/Guided-Greatness-Mentorship-Developing-professionals-ebook/dp/B0FGBH1VNS
Email: [email protected]
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/coachkd63