This time we talk about Australian girls in the 1960s, our experiences in Little Italy, in Carlton in  the 1970s and, finally how a visit to Italy can hurt.

In this episode Walter and I talk about why you should open a chain of travel agencies, something magnificent that Mussolini did, picking grapes in Mildura and a dramatic overnight trip from the city to a tobacco farm in country Victoria.

In this episode, Walter and I talk about our families before they came to Australia and the early years in what Walter calls the penal colony and I, in the book I have written which will be published in 2025, refer to as the English colony.