Imperfectly Honest

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  • Are You an Introvert – or Just Stuck in Your Comfort Zone?

    What if some of the things we think are simply “who we are” are actually habits we’ve built to keep ourselves comfortable?

    In this episode, Elizabeth and Kayla sit down to discuss Sorry I’m Late, I Didn’t Want to Come by Jessica Pan – a book about what happens when a self-described introvert with social anxiety decides to spend a year intentionally stepping outside her comfort zone.

    But this conversation isn’t really about becoming more extroverted. It’s about questioning the stories we tell ourselves about who we are – and whether those stories are actually serving us.

    Elizabeth and Kayla explore the difference between saying no because you genuinely need to honor your energy versus saying no because you’re afraid, uncomfortable, worried about disappointing someone, or simply stuck in a routine. They talk about people-pleasing, social anxiety, talking to strangers, and how routines and to-do lists can sometimes leave surprisingly little room for connection.

    They also share some personal stories – from Kayla pushing herself to participate in a live storytelling event to Elizabeth striking up a conversation with a stranger on a chairlift that ultimately led to a meaningful mentorship.

    At the heart of the conversation is a bigger question: How much of what we think is our personality is actually habit, fear, or avoidance?

    In this episode, Elizabeth and Kayla explore:

    • The difference between introversion, social anxiety, and staying in your comfort zone
    • How to tell whether you’re honoring your energy or avoiding discomfort
    • Why talking to strangers and trying new experiences can lead to unexpected connection
    • Moving beyond small talk to create deeper conversations
    • How people-pleasing and fear of disappointing others influence when we say yes or no
    • How to challenge the habits and stories that may be keeping you stuck
    • How routines and busy schedules can get in the way of meaningful relationships
    • The goal isn’t necessarily to become more social, more outgoing, or more extroverted. It’s simply to pause and get curious about why we’re saying yes – and why we’re saying no. Because sometimes the most interesting parts of life are waiting just beyond the edge of our usual routine.

      Show Notes:

      Pick up a copy of Sorry I’m Late, I Didn’t Want to Come by Jessica Pan.

      Follow Kayla’s “outgoing introvert” journey on YouTube (@DishAndTellWithKayla) and Substack (@kaylagorski).

      In addition to Jessica Pan’s book, consider reading The 80/80 Marriage: A New Model for a Happier Stronger Relationship, by Nate and Kaley Klemp.

      Hear more Imperfectly Honest perspectives at www.imperfectlyhonest.com.

      Episode Timestamps:

      • 00:00 — Are you an introvert, or is it habit, fear, or avoidance?
      • 02:04 — Sorry I’m Late, I Didn’t Want to Come and the experiment behind the book
      • 05:04 — Introvert vs. extrovert: it’s more nuanced than two categories
      • 09:05 — Social anxiety and worrying about how we’re perceived
      • 11:54 — Social plans, people-pleasing, and fear of disappointing others
      • 14:07 — What can happen when you push beyond your comfort zone
      • 16:41 — Why talking to strangers can lead to unexpected connection
      • 21:02 — When routines and to-do lists get in the way of connection
      • 23:23 — Becoming your own “expander”
      • 24:08 — Elizabeth’s chairlift conversation that became a lasting mentorship
      • 28:15 — Boundaries, saying no, and letting others manage their own reactions
      • 29:38 — Honoring your energy vs. avoiding discomfort
      • 32:26 — Moving beyond small talk and creating deeper conversations
      • 37:17 — What if you approached your hometown like a tourist?
      • 38:09 — When “I’m an introvert” becomes an excuse
      • 40 min
      • Body Image and Self-Esteem: What I Wish I Could Tell My 13-Year-Old Self

        What would you tell your 13-year-old self about your body? What do you tell young girls in your life today about body image?

        In this episode, Elizabeth sits down with Blair Haseman, 501(c)(3) founder of Girls Thrive, for a deeply personal conversation about body image, self-esteem, confidence, and the messages girls begin absorbing about their bodies at a surprisingly young age.

        For many of us, the answer might be less about how we looked and more about everything we wish we’d known: that our bodies don’t define us, that comparison isn’t a measure of our worth, and that we could have spent a lot less time worrying about how we looked – and a lot more time simply being kids.

        Blair shares her own experience struggling with body acceptance beginning in elementary school, and how those experiences ultimately shaped the work she now does to help girls develop a healthier relationship with their bodies.

        Together, Elizabeth and Blair explore the pressures girls face as they grow up, the impact of teasing and comparison, and why our focus on what women’s bodies look like can overshadow what they are actually capable of doing.

        The conversation also turns inward as Elizabeth reflects on what she would tell her own 13-year-old self – including lessons about food, fitness, failure, comparison, aging, and learning to accept that our bodies aren’t supposed to look the same. At the heart of the conversation is a simple but powerful idea: your body is an instrument, not an ornament.

        In this episode, Elizabeth and Blair explore:

        • Why body image struggles can begin as early as elementary school
        • How teasing, comparison, and cultural expectations shape girls’ self-esteem
        • How to shift the focus from what our bodies look like to what they can do
        • The complicated relationship between food, fitness, and body image
        • What Elizabeth and Blair would tell their younger selves
        • Learning to embrace failure, imperfection, and change
        • Why our bodies don’t have to look the same – even when we put in the same effort
        • Why women shouldn’t feel the need to hide their strengths or make themselves smaller
        • Maybe the real question isn’t just what we would tell our younger selves, but what we’re teaching the girls growing up around us. And perhaps it’s never too late to start giving ourselves some of the same grace, perspective, and encouragement.

          About Blair Haseman:

          Blair Haseman is the 501(c)(3) founder of Girls Thrive, a nonprofit organization based in Helena, Montana, focused on empowering girls through physical activity and education, with an emphasis on positive body image, self-esteem, and self-confidence. Her own experiences with body image struggles inspired her to make this work part of her life’s mission.

          Episode Timestamps

          • 00:00 — What would you tell your 13-year-old self?
          • 02:07 — Elizabeth introduces Blair and the conversation around body image
          • 03:18 — Blair’s story and the mission behind Girls Thrive
          • 06:00 — Confidence, the “Girl Box,” and learning to feel worthy
          • 09:15 — When body image struggles begin: teasing, puberty, and comparison
          • 11:00 — Focusing on what your body can do instead of how it looks
          • 13:19 — Beauty, health, “pretty privilege,” and why every body looks different
          • 15:37 — Blair’s eating disorder, hospitalization, and experience as a competitive runner
          • 21:42 — Learning to stand up for yourself and walk away from harmful situations
          • 24:45 — How unhealthy eating and body image issues can show up differently for everyone
          • 27:10 — “Your body is an instrument, not an ornament”
          • 28:16 — How to talk to girls about weight, nutrition, and body image
          • 31:00 — Modeling confidence instead of simply giving advice
          • 32:43 — Helping girls think bigger about their strengths and future
          • 36:12 — The paths women are told to follow—and the dreams they leave behind
          • 42:34 — What Blair would tell her 13-year-old self
          • 44:16 — What Elizabeth would tell her younger self about failure, fitness, and self-acceptance
          • 48:26 — Girls Thrive and creating change in the local community
          • 51:10 — Strength, vulnerability, and being unafraid to cry
          • Show Notes:

            Learn more about Girls Thrive and how to get involved.

            Hear more Imperfectly Honest perspectives at www.imperfectlyhonest.com.

            53 min
          • Finding Love After Divorce: Letting Go of the Checklist

            What if finding the right relationship isn’t about finding someone who checks every box, but about being open enough to recognize the right person when they show up?

            In this episode, Elizabeth sits down with friend Al Musser for a candid conversation about finding love after divorce, dating later in life, and building a healthy, fulfilling relationship.

            After divorce, it can be tempting to approach dating with a checklist of qualities, expectations, and deal-breakers. But what happens when the person who turns out to be right for you doesn’t look anything like the person you imagined?

            Elizabeth and Al explore the unexpected ways relationships develop, why some of the best connections can’t be planned, and how learning to let go of control can create space for love to find you. They talk about recognizing when a relationship feels different, paying attention to compatibility beyond a checklist, and becoming open to possibilities that might not make sense on paper.

            In this episode, they explore:

            • Finding love after divorce and navigating dating later in life
            • How to recognize a healthy relationship and meaningful compatibility
            • Why the right partner may not check every box
            • The difference between forcing a relationship and allowing one to develop organically
            • How to know when a relationship feels easy, natural, and right
            • Letting go of expectations about what your ideal partner “should” look like
            • Why being open to unexpected possibilities can lead to lasting love
            • How relationships can challenge us to grow and become better versions of ourselves
            • The importance of maintaining your own identity, friendships, and interests within a relationship
            • Whether you’re dating after divorce, looking for love later in life, navigating a new relationship, or simply curious about what makes a partnership work, this conversation offers a thoughtful reminder: sometimes the person we’re looking for doesn’t come in the box we expected.

              And maybe that’s exactly the point.

              Show Notes:

              As Elizabeth mentioned in this episode, she’s come up with 57 qualities she’d like to find in a partner, but has realized that she only needs seven.

              Elizabeth also committed to living in discomfort after her divorce in order to realize the true value of moving out of her comfort zone.

              Hear more Imperfectly Honest perspectives at www.imperfectlyhonest.com.

              58 min
            • How a Health Crisis Can Teach You How to Live Well

              What if one of the hardest seasons of your life became one of your greatest teachers?

              In this episode, Elizabeth sits down with longtime friend, mentor, and entrepreneur Jimmy Calano for an honest conversation about navigating cancer, recovering from serious health challenges, and the unexpected perspective that can emerge when we’re forced to confront our own mortality. But this isn’t a conversation about death—it’s about how these experiences inspired them to live well.

              After facing acute leukemia and other health crises, Jimmy shares the mindset shifts that helped him navigate fear, uncertainty, and recovery. Elizabeth reflects on her own experience recovering from chronic pain and a tumor that curved her spine—and how those challenges transformed her relationships, priorities, and understanding of what it means to truly live.

              Together, they explore:

              • How a cancer diagnosis can reshape your perspective on life
              • Why listening to your body could save your life
              • The emotional impact of serious illness and recovery
              • Finding gratitude and resilience during difficult seasons
              • How adversity can reveal unexpected opportunities for growth
              • Navigating uncertainty, fear, and the loss of control
              • Why healing isn’t always about returning to who you were
              • The importance of advocating for your health and trusting your instincts
              • Whether you’re navigating a health challenge, supporting someone you love through illness, or simply looking for a reminder to slow down and appreciate what matters most, this conversation offers hope, perspective, and the comforting reminder that even our hardest seasons can shape us for the better.

                Show Notes:

                Hear more Imperfectly Honest perspectives at www.imperfectlyhonest.com.

                43 min
              • How to Trust Yourself: Letting Go of Control, Finding Flow, and Following Your Intuition

                How do you know when to keep pushing... and when it’s time to let go?

                In this episode, Elizabeth sits down with friend and fellow truth-seeker Kayla Gorski to explore what it really means to trust yourself.

                Together, they reflect on perfectionism, burnout, intuition, synchronicity, and the courage to loosen our grip on life’s carefully crafted plans. Through stories of career transitions, unexpected opportunities, solo adventures in nature, and the quiet signs that often appear when we finally slow down, Elizabeth and Kayla examine how self-trust isn’t about having certainty – it’s about trusting you’ve already done the work and believing you’ll be okay no matter what unfolds.

                This episode is an invitation to trade control for curiosity and discover the freedom that comes from trusting your own inner wisdom.

                Together, they explore:

                • How to trust yourself when life doesn’t go according to plan
                • The difference between intuition, fear, and overthinking
                • Letting go of perfectionism and the need to control outcomes
                • Recognizing synchronicities and signs that you’re in alignment
                • Why burnout can be an invitation to pause instead of push
                • How silence, nature, and solitude help us reconnect with ourselves
                • Why success doesn’t always require struggle
                • Whether you’re navigating a career transition, recovering from burnout, searching for clarity, or simply wondering if you’re on the right path, this conversation offers a refreshing reminder that sometimes the greatest act of courage is trusting that you already have everything you need. As Elizabeth points out, “We are animals... and oftentimes we know what to do. We just need to trust that we know.”

                  Show Notes:

                  Hear more Imperfectly Honest perspectives at www.imperfectlyhonest.com.

                  30 min
                • The Courage to Change Your Mind: Lessons from 50 Honest Conversations

                  Fifty episodes. Hundreds of questions. Countless opportunities to rethink what we thought we knew.

                  In this milestone episode, Elizabeth reunites with co-founder Sheila Lamont to reflect on the conversations that have shaped the podcast – and the personal growth that came from having them.

                  Together, they revisit some of their most memorable episodes, exploring how their perspectives have evolved on everything from living alone and setting boundaries to communication, relationships, and everyday disagreements. Along the way, they discover that changing your mind isn't a sign of inconsistency – it's often a sign of growth.

                  They explore:

                  • Why changing your mind can be a sign of emotional growth
                  • The value of curiosity over certainty
                  • How communication styles shape our relationships
                  • Revisiting old opinions with compassion instead of judgement
                  • Why personal preferences – and perspectives – naturally evolve
                  • The importance of trusting yourself while remaining open to new ideas
                  • Lessons learned from 50 conversations about life, relationships, and being human
                  • Whether you've been listening since Episode 1 or you're discovering Imperfectly Honest for the first time, this conversation is an invitation to embrace curiosity, welcome personal growth, and remember that we don't have to stay the same person we were yesterday.

                    Show Notes:

                    Hear more Imperfectly Honest perspectives at www.imperfectlyhonest.com.

                    37 min
                  • What Happens After “I Do”? A Conversation About Love, Growth, and Marriage

                    What is a wedding really for?

                    In this deeply personal episode, Elizabeth sits down with newlywed Morgan Klaas to explore a question that goes far beyond centerpieces, guest lists, and wedding traditions: What – and who – are we actually celebrating when we get married?

                    Both Elizabeth and Morgan reflect on their weddings, but beneath the details of the celebration lies a larger conversation about love, commitment, family expectations, and the realities of modern marriage.

                    This episode is an honest exploration of what happens when we stop asking whether a marriage will last forever and start asking whether it is helping us become who we're meant to be. Together, they explore: 

                    • The true cost of modern weddings – and why couples still choose them
                    • How Morgan created a nontraditional wedding experience in Moab
                    • Navigating family expectations, guest lists, and wedding politics
                    • The father-daughter moments that became the most meaningful memories
                    • What divorce taught Elizabeth about communication and partnership
                    • Why marriage doesn't always fit into neat, tidy definitions
                    • The difference between planning a wedding and building a marriage
                    • How love evolves through different seasons of life
                    • Whether you're planning a wedding, healing from a divorce, questioning traditional relationship milestones, or simply reflecting on what commitment means in today's world, this conversation offers a refreshing and deeply human perspective on love, partnership, and personal growth.

                      Show Notes:

                      Hear more Imperfectly Honest perspectives at www.imperfectlyhonest.com.

                      Stay tuned for a follow-up episode on Cuban food and the joy of unconventional living on our Imperfectly Honest producer, Kayla Gorski’s podcast, Dish + Tell. Subscribe to her Substack here. 

                      44 min
                    • What Women Find Attractive: Confidence, Curiosity, and Unexpected Turn-Ons

                      What makes someone attractive?

                      Is it confidence? Physical chemistry? Shared values? Emotional intelligence?

                      In this episode of Imperfectly Honest, Elizabeth is joined by her friend and Imperfectly Honest partner in crime, Kayla Gorski, to explore the psychology of attraction, modern dating, relationship compatibility, and the surprising qualities that create lasting connection. From confidence and curiosity to self-awareness and emotional intelligence, they unpack what women really find attractive—and how those preferences evolve over time.

                      Drawing from their own dating experiences, conversations about dating after divorce, and reflections on healthy relationships, Elizabeth and Kayla discuss why attraction is often about far more than physical appearance. 

                      Together, they discuss:

                      • Green flags, turn-ons, and unexpected relationship dynamics that influence who we choose to build a life with
                      • Why curiosity may be one of the most attractive traits in a partner
                      • The difference between confidence, self-worth, and arrogance
                      • Dating after divorce and navigating major life transitions
                      • Why close friendships matter in romantic relationships
                      • Masculine and feminine dynamics in modern dating
                      • The role self-awareness plays in attraction and compatibility
                      • How attraction evolves as we grow and change
                      • Whether you're actively dating, navigating a breakup, re-entering the dating world after divorce, or simply curious about human behavior, this conversation offers an honest look at attraction, relationships, confidence, and what truly creates connection.

                        Show Notes:

                        Deepen your connection with food and yourself by visiting Kayla’s Substack at substack.com/@kaylagorski. 

                        Hear more Imperfectly Honest perspectives at www.imperfectlyhonest.com.

                        37 min
                      • When to Sanitize and When to Let It Go: A Microbiologist’s Guide to Disease Prevention, Germ Anxiety, and Choosing Love Over Fear

                        For many people, the pandemic changed more than just daily routines – it changed the way we think about safety, health, and germs.

                        What starts as “being careful” can slowly become something heavier: contamination anxiety, obsessive cleaning, fear of getting sick, and stress that quietly impacts everyday life.

                        In this episode, Elizabeth sits down with microbiologist and department head at Montana State University, Jovanka Voyich, for an honest and nuanced conversation about germs, hygiene, immune health, and the balance between protecting ourselves and still fully living.

                        Together, they discuss:

                        • How the pandemic triggered contamination anxiety and OCD-like behaviors for many people
                        • What actually matters when it comes to staying healthy
                        • Common misconceptions about germs and hygiene
                        • Hand washing, sanitizers, gyms, public spaces, and household cleanliness
                        • Why some exposure to germs may actually support immune health
                        • The mental and emotional cost of living in constant fear
                        • This episode is not about dismissing health concerns — it’s about finding balance, reducing shame, and learning how to stay informed without letting fear take over your life.

                          If you’ve ever wondered whether your “healthy habits” may have crossed into anxiety, this conversation is for you.

                          Hear more Imperfectly Honest perspectives at www.imperfectlyhonest.com.

                          43 min
                        • Mother’s Day Special: An Honest Conversation About Our Moms

                          For some, Mother’s Day is a pure celebration. For others, it's grief, or just a day that's not quite easy peasy. Sometimes it's all of those things at once. If Mother's Day has ever felt more complex than the greeting cards suggest, this one is for you.

                          In this episode, Elizabeth sits down with friend and fellow climate advocate, Max Scheder-Bieschin, who recently lost his mother. Max shares the lessons his mother left him, the things he wishes he'd said, and how she shaped the man he's become. Elizabeth brings her own truth about her loving relationship with her mother, and her own set of questions as well.

                          Hear more Imperfectly Honest perspectives at www.imperfectlyhonest.com.

                          36 min

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