On this episode, Mary sits down with Joseph Otting, former Comptroller of the Currency under President Donald Trump’s first term and current CEO and Chairman of Flagstar Bank. Together, they discuss leadership under pressure, decision-making when information is incomplete, navigating both government and private enterprise, and what it means to shape outcomes for others as a leader. Otting reflects on his unconventional career path, the importance of judgment and integrity, and how he stays grounded while operating at the highest levels of finance. Produced by Jeff Zavelsky.