In Conversation with Nathalie Nahai

In this final episode of the season, I speak with Michael Meade - a renowned storyteller, author, and scholar of mythology, anthropology, and psychology. He combines hypnotic storytelling, street-savvy perceptiveness, and spellbinding interpretations of ancient myths with a deep knowledge of cross-cultural rituals.

He has an unusual ability to distill and synthesize these disciplines, tapping into ancestral sources of wisdom and connecting them to the stories we are living today.

The celebrated author of Awakening the Soul, The Genius Myth, Fate and Destiny, Why the World Doesn't End and The Water of Life; and the creator of the Living Myth Podcast, Michael is also the founder of Mosaic Multicultural Foundation, a nonprofit network of artists, activists, and community builders that encourages greater understanding between diverse peoples.

WEBSITES

• https://www.mosaicvoices.org/
• Podcast: https://www.mosaicvoices.org/podcast
• Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/michaelmeade_mosaicvoices/

BOOKS

• https://store.mosaicvoices.org/collections/books-1

CHAPTERS

00:00 The Power of Storytelling

02:58 Creativity as an Ongoing Process

05:59 Facing Darkness and the Unknown

08:44 The Role of Mythology in Understanding Darkness

11:56 Navigating Personal and Collective Darkness

14:44 The Concept of Apocalypse and Renewal

17:37 Awakening the Inner Genius

20:49 The Healing Power of Music and Art

23:49 Rites of Passage and Individual Uniqueness

26:43 Finding Your Thread of Creativity

29:49 Breaking Down Barriers to Creativity

33:55 The Journey of the Soul

40:58 Creation and Chaos: The Dance of Transformation

51:47 The Acorn and the Oak: Nurturing Inner Potential

Today, I’m speaking with James Taylor-Foster - a curator, writer, and cultural leader investigating how the creativity of artists, designers, and thinkers reimagines our world – shaping popular culture and public life. Recently appointed Executive Director of Para Site, Hong Kong’s leading non-profit contemporary art centre, James's practice bridges contemporary art, design, architecture, and digital culture.

As a convenor and curator he blurs disciplinary boundaries, exploring unconventional ways of nurturing institutions and their audiences. This expansive approach is both greenhouse and staging ground: cultivating emergent ideas for wider cultural spheres while building ambitious platforms for assembling many forms of making into new ways of seeing, feeling, and imagining.

James’ work shines light on how creativity continually re-envisions reality, and it was in a talk he gave at the Gottlieb Duttweiler Institute earlier this year, that I heard him speak about “world-glimsping” – a phrase he coined to describe the curious, evocative and transporting ways in which artists of all stripes can invite us into alternative experiences that both broaden and deepen our felt sense of the futures we might yet create together.

As our dominant social and generative AI platforms continue to commoditise, capture and corode not only our attention, but also our imaginations, I couldn’t resist asking James to come onto the show and share his vision of the power of creativity to shape what comes next.

WEBSITES

• https://james.tf/
• https://www.para-site.art/2026/03/16/welcoming-james-taylor-foster-as-para-sites-next-executive-director/

CHAPTERS

3:19 Homogenisation and Creativity

5:10 Design and Frictionless Society

7:06 Infantilisation and Technology

10:17 Crisis of Creativity

13:52 Death and Vulnerability

29:11 Transhumanism and Embodiment

30:00 Cultural Spaces and Information Overload

31:55 Monogamous Mind, Polyamorous Terror

39:21 Ritual, Non-Dualism and Initiation

46:34 World Glimpsing and Role-play

54:25 Reflection and Journaling

In today’s conversation, I have the please of welcoming Anthea Lawson back onto the show. Having trained and worked as a reporter at The Times, and studied history at Cambridge, her work as an activist has seen Anthea campaign to shut down tax havens, control the arms trade and prevent banks from facilitating corruption and environmental devastation.

While working at Global Witness, a human rights and environmental organisation, Anthea also launched a campaign that succeeded in changing the rules on secret company ownership, resulting in new laws being passed in dozens of countries around the world.

A lot has changed since then – the geopolitical landscape has shifted, some of these laws have been repealed, and so her new book, How Not to Save the World: Doing Good Without Annoying Everyone is perfectly timed, and it’s coming out on June 4th. And given the theme and where we find ourselves right now, I felt like this would be the perfect moment to invite her back on the show.

I first encountered Anthea in 2022, when I interviewed her on episode 86 about her book, The Entangled Activist. If you’re unfamiliar with her work, that is a fantastic place to start.

BOOKS

• How Not to Save the World: Doing Good Without Annoying Everyone – Anthea Lawson (https://www.anthealawson.uk/how-not-to-save-the-world)
• The Entangled Activist – Anthea Lawson (https://www.anthealawson.uk/the-entangled-activist)

WEBSITES

• anthealawson.uk

CHAPTERS

00:00 The Global Human Psyche and Climate Awareness

02:44 Activism and Personal Motivators

06:52 The Save the World Script

10:56 Navigating Activism and Community Engagement

14:44 Bridging Divides in Activism

18:56 Stories of Change and Resistance

31:36 Navigating Civility in Hostile Conversations

34:02 The Impact of Personal Histories on Activism

37:51 Understanding the Savior Complex in Activism

45:22 Rethinking Service vs. Saving in Philanthropy

50:23 Building Solidarity Through Community Engagement

55:37 The Role of Technology in Activism and Community Building

In this conversation, I have the pleasure of speaking with Dr Elaine Kasket - a UK-based Cyberpsychologist and Chartered Counselling Psychologist whose work explores how technology reshapes our wellbeing, relationships, work and identity.

Bringing a rich and deeply humanistic lens to the psychological, philosophical and social dilemmas we face in an age of AI, Elaine’s work explores not only the idea of digital permanence (what happens to our data beyond our death), but also how we can retain agency and humanity at a time in which so much of our lives are becoming quantified and digitised.

Through her books, talks, keynotes and clinical practice, Elaine challenges prevailing narratives of helplessness in the face of technology and helps individuals and organisations build more meaningful lives with and through tech.

She has authored two books. The first, All the Ghosts in the Machine: The Digital Afterlife of Your Personal Data (Robinson, 2019), is an exploration of how the online dead affect the privacy, finances and experiences of the living in surprising and evolving ways. The second book, Reset: Rethinking Your Digital World for a Happier Life (Elliott & Thompson, 2024), examines how we use — and sometimes misuse — technology across our personal and professional lives, and offers practical and values-driven ways to make smarter, more self-aware digital choices.

A regular contributor across international media and podcasts, Elaine is a renowned keynote speaker and storyteller, and she has collaborated with audiences and organisations worldwide, from Netflix, TEDx and the House of Beautiful Business, to the NHS, the Edinburgh Fringe and Latitude.

Having served five years as an Honorary Professor of Psychology at the University of Wolverhampton in recognition of her work on life in the digital age, Elaine is currently Visiting Professor at the Centre for Death and Society (CDAS) at the University of Bath. She was formerly a full-time academic and Head of Department for the Doctorate in Counselling Psychology at Regent’s University, and she is an Associate Fellow of the British Psychological Society, a Fellow of the Royal Society of Arts, and a Senior Fellow of the Higher Education Academy.

I was introduced to Elaine through a mutual friend and was absolutely captivated by her capacity to the complexity of many of the challenges and opportunities we face in this current moment. This was a compelling, thoughtful, heart-breaking, mind-expanding conversation, and I hope that you find it as enriching as I did.

BOOKS

• Reset: Rethinking Your Digital World for a Happier Life – Elaine Kasket (https://www.elainekasket.com/reboot)
• All the Ghosts in the Machine: The Digital Afterlife of Your Personal Data – Elaine Kasket (https://www.elainekasket.com/all-the-ghosts)
• The Atlas of AI – Kate Crawford (https://katecrawford.net/home)

WEBSITES

• https://www.linkedin.com/in/elaine-kasket/
• https://www.drelainekasket.com/
• https://www.elainekasket.com/

CHAPTERS

03:11 Free Will vs. Determinism in the Digital Age

05:58 The Impact of Technology on Relationships

08:59 AI Companions and the Loss of Reciprocity

11:54 The Nature of Therapy in the Age of AI

14:59 Experiential Avoidance and Psychological Flexibility

18:01 The Role of Technology in Human Connection

21:10 Seeking Meaning in a Technological World

24:00 The Dangers of a Flattened Existence

27:10 The Machine Stops: A Cautionary Tale

30:02 Rewilding and the Human Condition

35:02 The Philosophical Roots of Dominion Over Nature

39:07 AI's Impact on Climate Change Awareness

43:07 The Struggle for Emotional Control and Human Connection

47:03 The Role of AI in Shaping Work Culture

51:11 Navigating the Challenges of Capitalism and AI

55:08 The Developmental Arc of Technology and Human Connection

In today’s conversation, I speak with Low Kee Hong – Creative Director at Factory International, a pioneering Creative Company and Charity that commissions, produces, and presents a year-round programme of cultural opportunities and extraordinary artistic experiences, driven by innovation and a focus on sustainable futures.

Responsible for overseeing the work of the Creative Engagement programme which brings opportunities for people from all backgrounds, ages and from all corners of the city of Manchester, where they’re based, Low also leads the international department in collaborating with venues, festivals and other cultural organisations around the world.

Having previously worked as Artistic Director and General Manager of the Singapore Arts Festival, and the Founding Director and General Manager of the Singapore Biennale and Associate Artistic Director of TheatreWorks (Singapore), Low also headeded up the Theatre for Performing Arts at the West Kowloon Cultural District Authority in Hong Kong, where he was responsible for formulating the district’s artistic direction and strategies for Contemporary Performance, Dramatic and Theatre Arts.

Now, you may be asking yourself why, on a show that principally explores our relationship with one another, with technology and with the living world, I’m interviewing an Artistic Director… Well, as the challenges we face increase in complexity and unpredictability, I believe that it is precisely our capacity to think pluralistically, laterally and creatively, that will help us to shift the initial conditions from which we operate, so that more fruitful futures might emerge.

I believe that this is particularly true when it comes to redefining how we imagine, develop and deploy public-facing technology. As the dynamics that underpin our current media systems serve to fracture the social fabric and capture our algorythmically-influenced imaginations, it is often the artist – in all their forms – that can dance amidst the chaos, swim against the tide of homogeneity, and whisper into being alternative futures that unfold far beyond our conceptions of the beaten track.

I first met Low at an IBTM travel conference that we were both speaking at in Barcelona last year, and I was so captivated by his thinking and approach that I just had to invite him onto the show. I hope you revel in ths conversation as much as I did.

WEBSITES

• https://factoryinternational.org/
• https://www.onassis.org/people/low-kee-hong-uk
• https://gdi.ch/en

CHAPTERS

7:26 The Power of Art as a Change Maker

11:24 Cultural Memory and Indigenous Knowledge

12:25 Sensory Expansion

18:19 Artistic Collaboration and Community Engagement

32:20 Community Engagement

33:54 Art and Governance

43:33 Financial Sustainability in the Arts

49:18 Corporate Partnerships

51:27 Artistic Perversity

54:32 AI and Creativity

61:31 Conclusion and Future Vision

Today I have the pleasure of speaking with Professor Gerd Gigerenzer – a world-leading psychologist, author and internationally acclaimed expert in decision-making, risk literacy, and bounded rationality.

Formerly a Professor of Psychology at the University of Chicago and John M. Olin Distinguished Visiting Professor at the School of Law at the University of Virginia, Professor Gigerenzer has reshaped how we understand human intuition, heuristics, and the ways in which we make decisions under uncertainty.

A long-time director at the Max Planck Institute for Human Development with decades of groundbreaking research to his name, he is currently director of the Harding Center for Risk Literacy at the University of Potsdam and vice-president of the European Research Council (ERC).

Having trained managers, doctors, and U.S. federal judges in dealing with risks and uncertainties, Professor Gigerenzer has received a litany of awards, from the German Psychology Prize and Communicator Prize, to the award for the best journal article in the behavioral sciences by the American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS).

Switzerland’s prestigious Duttweiler Institute has named Gigerenzer one of the 100 most influential thinkers in the world, and it is there – at their International Trends Day – that I met him, sharing a stage exploring our perpectives around the impacts of digital noise, the current use of LLMs, and how we might more wisely navigate an increasingly complex and uncertain world.

His talk was one of my highlights of the event, and so it is with great pleasure that I share this conversation with you today.

BOOKS

https://www.gerd-gigerenzer.com/books

WEBSITES

• https://www.gerd-gigerenzer.com/
• https://www.mpg.de/en
• https://www.hardingcenter.de/en
• https://erc.europa.eu/homepage

CHAPTERS

02:32 Technological Paternalism and Human Agency

05:36 The Role of Intuition in Decision Making

08:45 The Impact of Algorithms on Human Interaction

11:35 Human Intelligence vs. Algorithms

14:48 Understanding Stable and Unstable Worlds

17:43 The Risks of Predictive Policing

20:33 Deep Fakes and Disinformation

23:42 The Accountability Shift in AI

26:36 The Influence of Tech Oligarchs

29:27 Changing the System for Better Leadership

32:37 Reclaiming Agency in a Digital World

35:34 Hope for the Future of Digital Literacy

36:32 The Cost of Freedom in Social Media

38:38 Conditioning and the Need for Critical Thinking

41:28 Mental Health and Cognitive Challenges in the Digital Age

45:24 The Shift from Extrinsic to Intrinsic Motivation

51:36 Rediscovering Joy Beyond Screens

56:39 The Future of Technology and Human Connection

Today I have the distinct pleasure of speaking with Professor Sue Black, OBE - a multi-award-winning computer scientist, social entrepreneur, and technology evangelist with over 25 years of experience driving change at the intersection of technology, equity, and public policy.

Recognised as one of the Forbes World Top 50 Women in Tech and in the Top 20 Most Influential Person in UK Tech, Sue’s work spans bias in AI, digital inclusion, culture change, and community transformation.

She has advised the UK government on digital skills, founded TechUPWomen to support underserved women into tech careers, and was the pioneering mind who led the successful campaign to save Bletchley Park.

Currently serving as a trustee at Comic Relief and the Institute for the Future of Work, Sue’s mission is to ensure technology works for everyone, not just the few. And it is precisely her focus and work around responsible AI, inclusive leadership, and tech for good that inspired me to speak with her today.

WEBSITES

• https://sueblack.co.uk/
• https://www.skool.com/women-in-tech-power-network/about
• https://www.techup.ac.uk/contact-us/

CHAPTERS

05:01 The Role of Technology in Society

10:00 Education and Technology Literacy

17:00 The AI Opportunity Gap

23:11 Navigating AI and Technology Myths

27:07 Harnessing Positive Technologies for Everyday Life

27:31 Understanding Gender Disparities in AI Adoption

28:25 Skepticism vs. Adoption: A Deeper Look at AI

30:25 The Importance of Diversity in Tech Development

32:23 Breaking Down Silos: The Value of Intergenerational Perspectives

34:33 Using Technology for Pro-Social Outcomes

35:53 Empowering Women in Tech: Challenges and Solutions

41:50 The Need for Diverse Leadership in Tech

42:13 Creating a Diverse Board for Ethical Tech Decisions

43:37 Current Focus: Empowering Women in Technology

In this episode, I speak with Carl Miller: an author, journalist and researcher at Demos, a London think tank where he co-founded the Centre for the Analysis of Social Media in 2012. A renowned speaker, Carl has given address in Parliament, to NATO, at TED, the Web Summit, the Hay Literary Festival, Oxford University, the British Academy, the Mayor of London, Latitude and many more.

As a journalist, he has written on everything from living in a political technology commune and visiting an information warfare base, to meeting fake news merchants in Kosovo. He’s conducted longterm, immersive investigations into the digital democrats in Taiwan, hackers in Las Vegas and assassination markets on the dark net, and he's the host of the multi-award-winning, 7-country #1 podcast, Kill List.

The author of several books, including The Death of the Gods: The New Global Power Grab (which won the 2019 Transmission prize), Carl has led over 40 major projects to research the digital world. He highlighted the influence of conspiracy theories in 2010, called for digital literacy education in 2012. He warned about the rise of crypto-currencies in 2013, and how the digital world was transforming policing. With the former Director of GCHQ, he coined 'SOCMINT', social media intelligence.

In 2015 he led a team monitoring the rise of digital politics over the General Election. In 2016 he worked on using machine learning to measure how social media was targeting minority groups for abuse. From 2019 onwards, he has focussed on confronting the rise of shadowy forms of influence, disinformation and information warfare.

And this, dear listeners, is what we’ll be exploring today…

WEBSITES

• www.carlmiller.co
• https://www.linkedin.com/in/carlmiller/
• http://www.demos.co.uk/people/carl-miller
• https://demos.academia.edu/CarlMiller
• www.demos.co.uk

BOOKS & RESOURCES

Book: The Death of The Gods – Carl Miller (https://www.penguin.co.uk/books/436073/the-death-of-the-gods-by-carl-miller/9781786090126)

Writing: https://carl-miller-website.webflow.io/writing

Podcast: Kill List (Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/kill-list/id1769072368 / Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0MKZSB39sSnSYHzey11SPF)

CITED

Demos Waves Project - https://demos.co.uk/project/waves/

Estonia's X-Road Digital Identity System - https://e-estonia.com/solutions/interoperability-services/x-road/

CHAPTERS

06:06 The Role of Technology in Society

11:18 Information Warfare and AI

17:00 Civic Engagement and Digital Literacy

25:41 The Challenge of Digital Identity and Security

28:17 The Evolution of Internet Trust and Fraud

30:28 The Implications of AI on Identity and Trust

33:53 Innovations in Digital Democracy: The Waves Project

Today I’m speaking with Richard Gerver - one of the foremost experts on change and human leadership, described by the late Sir Ken Robinson as, “One of the clearest and most passionate voices for radical change both in education and in business.”

A best-selling author, educator and keynote speaker, Richard’s work draws upon a deep understanding and compassionate interpretation of change and human potential, and – as Sir Robinson describes – “In his compelling presentations and books, he takes his powerful message of hope and possibility to educators, business leaders and policy makers around the world.”

The mind behind two hugely successful courses on LinkedIn Learning, Richard is also the author of four renowned books – Change, Simple Thinking, Education: A Manifesto for Change and Creating Tomorrow's Schools Today – guides that draw upon his experience as an educator and consultant to businesses and organisations, to help readers think in new ways about the people we know and the places we work in.

I first met Richard at the World Business Forum last year in Madrid, where we talked about his forthcoming book, Curiosity, which is due out in Spring 2027. We hit if off immediately and I just had to invite him onto the show to explore the many themes about which we are both deeply passionate. This was a moving conversation for me, and I hope you enjoy it.

SUMMARY

Richard Gerver and Nathalie Nahai explore the depths of human psyche, change, curiosity, and collective resilience. They discuss how uncertainty, fear, and the need for certainty shape our world, and how storytelling, vulnerability, and micro-activism can foster hope and transformation.

WEBSITE

https://richardgerver.com/

BOOKS & RESOURCES

Books:https://richardgerver.com/books/

CHAPTERS

00:00 The Global Human Psyche: Uncertainty and Fear

06:23 The Fragility of Certainty: Learning from Failure

11:59 Risk and Growth: The Importance of Taking Chances

19:27 Personal Journeys: Adversity and Resilience

23:38 Curiosity: The Key to Navigating Change

34:58 Questioning vs. Condemnation: The Power of Curiosity

36:07 The Dignity of Disagreement

37:35 The Power of Storytelling in Change

41:43 Micro Activism and Personal Responsibility

44:28 The Renaissance of Humanity

48:14 Navigating Darkness Together

52:40 The Role of Shame in Human Connection

58:56 Empowering Change Through Responsibility

To kick off this new season, I’m speaking with Dr Paul Goldsmith, a neuroscientist and practising neurologist with a background in founding and building life sciences companies across both the drug and digital therapeutics space, in addition to NHS systems and strategic experience, clinical networks, vanguard and clinical senate roles.

Having studied natural sciences at the University of Cambridge and gained a clinical scholarship from the University of Oxford, Paul undertook postgraduate medical training in Oxford, at the National Hospital for Neurology in London, and in Cambridge, and went on to take a Ph.D. in developmental neuroscience at Cambridge, which lead to an interest in evolutionary medicine. A visiting professor at Imperial College London in the Institute of Global Health Innovation, he is also the author of a new book, “The Evolving Brain: How to thrive in a world we weren’t meant for”, a guide that draws from his clinical to offer compassionate, practical insights on the evolutionary origins of our brain and how we can best use it to thrive in our daily lives.

Given the increasing complexity and turbulence we face today, this felt like a poignant place from which to open this series of conversations, and I hope you find this episode as uplifting, companionate and insightful as I did.

SUMMARY

In this conversation, Paul Goldsmith and Nathalie Nahai explore the intricate connections between the human psyche, the evolving brain, and the challenges of modern life. They discuss the importance of understanding our place within a larger system, the role of social goals in happiness, and the impact of meaningful relationships on well-being. They examine the complexities of modern existence, including the decline in fertility rates, the influence of social media on loneliness, and the significance of community and shared experiences. Finally, Paul and Nathalie emphasise the need for self-compassion, the power of physical activity, and the potential for finding beauty in adversity.

WEBSITE

https://www.linkedin.com/in/paul-goldsmith-624241/

BOOKS

The Evolving Brain: How to thrive in a world we weren’t meant for (https://www.hachette.co.uk/contributor/dr-paul-goldsmith/)

CHAPTERS

00:00 The Global Human Psyche

02:39 Understanding the Evolving Brain

05:40 The Complexity of Modern Goals

08:29 Navigating Social Dynamics and Relationships

11:40 The Role of Melancholy in Goal Pursuit

14:38 The Impact of Modern Society on Fertility and Loneliness

17:35 Finding Meaning and Belonging in Life

33:16 The Quest for Validation in Modern Life

36:21 Understanding Neurodivergence and Focus

40:50 Auditing Personal Goals and Life Purpose

44:40 The Power of Connection and Community

56:25 The Role of Ego in Our Perception of Reality