Dr. Keba M. Rogers continues to share her perspective on antiracist and liberatory relationships with a focus on leveling up to excellence, setting boundaries, and letting people be who they are rather than who we want them to be. Eva and Jason close out with their take-aways from this important conversation.

Eva and Jason close out season 2 with Dr. Keba M. Rogers talking about anti-racist and liberatory relationships among BIPOC folks. Authenticity, valuing humanity over "time," and challenging internalized racism are just a few of the important topics that are covered in part 1 of this episode.

Eva and Jason reflect on their takeaways from their conversation with Cardozie and Erin, including the implications of Jason saying he “does this work.”

Eva and Jason continue the conversation with Cardozie and Erin to discuss elephants, colonialism, mistakes made, and ways that friendship can be a form of freedom. 

Eva and Jason jump right in with friends and colleagues Cardozie Jones and Erin Dunlevy to explore the need for boundaries, ways to nurture friendships and how “over-relating” can be a red flag for new cross-racial relationships.

Building off of Part 1, Perri opens up to Eva and Jason about a lot, including the difference between "challenging" vs. "addressing," developing trust to be in relationship through the struggles, and what self care looks like for her. She also talks about when she uses the phrase, “It’s not for you.” 

In this episode, Eva and Jason connect with Perri Chandler about anti-racist relationships in the family. Perri opens up about being married to a “white dude,” what changed when they had a child, and the importance of naming race and racism, even when it’s difficult. 

Cancel culture, perfectionism, conflict, and feeling feelings...how do these things impact White people's ability to relate with each other through an anti-racism lens? Listen as Eva, Jason and Dr. Kathy Obear explore this and other questions related to anti-racist relationships among White people.

Eva, Jason, and Benny continue the conversation to explore anti-racist relationships at work through the lens of consent, consistency, and conscious relationships. Listen as Benny talks about the need to provide “heart space.”

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Music: “Thank You For Being a Friend” -- DJ Jus Ed featuring Alison Crockett; Vocals Written and Performed by Alison Crockett

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