Returning from their hiatus, Nithin and Jeremy look into what Confederation entities might have to say about the subject of depression. We look at depression in several senses: as a starving of love from its source, a rejection of the self and the circumstances in which it finds itself, an opportunity to empty the self in order to make room for the new, and more. Applying their experience with depressive states at various moments in their lives, Jeremy and Nithin delve into the nature of this condition as one milestone in an overall process of transformation. We are not asked to understand so much as to have faith in the goodness of this transformation and, in so doing, take responsibility for our small role as instruments of our Creator.

• Q'uo on catalyst gone awry (May 2, 2004)
• Q'uo on the influence of different melodies on the self (October 15, 2005)
• Q'uo on the spiraling nature of recurring catalyst (May 1, 2005)
• Latuii on the opportunity of depression (February 28, 1982)
• Latuii on depression and transformation (May 20, 1984)
• Q'uo on transformation and the light touch (July 12, 1992)
• Q'uo on depression and red ray blockage (November 24, 2007; May 10, 2008)
• Q'uo on the role of all energy centers in depression (October 8, 2006)
• Q'uo on depression and its archetypes (July 26, 1987)

Jeremy gives a short update on the status of the podcast, followed by a recording of his presentation, New Insights Into the Archetypal Mind, recorded at the Other Selves Working Group's January 2025 Law of One Concepts Study Circle meeting.

• Video presentation (youtube.com)
• Jeremy's piece on the tenth anniversary of Carla Rueckert's passing (Working Notes substack)

In this final installment of our series on the archetypal mind, Dr. Stephen Tyman joins us once more to help us begin to explore the spirit cycle of the tarot. We discuss the unfathomably vast scope of the spirit complex through the lens of its seven stations. Here seeking has become so refined that desire, the motive force of evolution, and its object begin to blend. Our individuated consciousness stands naked before our true identity as the Creator Itself. Perilous, subtle, and promising, work in the spirit complex involves encountering our deepest emotions, including faith and despair, joy and terror, as we balance these experiences and discipline ourselves to apprehend in some small way the colossal forces of intelligent infinity without recourse to the traction provided by the body complex and the mind complex.

• Ra on the primacy of individual interpretation of the archetypes (Session 77, Question 23)
• Ra on the adept’s dissociation with the world (Session 80, Question 12)
• Q’uo on fixing and loving (July 31, 2007)
• Hatonn on seeking and transformation (May 1, 1983)
• Ra on the infitude of spirit (Session 80, Question 20)
• Ra on archetypes as things-in-themselves (Session 88, Question 17)
• Article on the concept of the thing-in-itself (Wikipedia)
• Ra on the origin of the tarot (Session 76, Question 6)
• Ra on the experience of spirit (Session 80, Question 8)
• The Celestine Prophecy (CelestineVision.com)
• The Sixth Channeling Intensive (High Altitude Receiving Center)

Nithin and Jeremy tackle another 1974 Hatonn session two days following the one they analyzed last episode, this one extending the Confederation's concepts of love, light, and other primal distortions into the area of desire and service. This begins with a discussion about the genealogy of desire, its thread connecting more distorted versions of the desire to more pure versions. Desire achieves its goal ultimately through service, the dynamic projection of the truth of oneness into the limited, novel details of a moment in the illusion. Therefore, serving involves the ability to look through the illusion, recognizing deeper layers of our desires and using the illusion to skillfully address our service to those on levels of calling they may not even understand themselves. This means we cannot arrive at our choices of how to serve solely through intellectual thinking; this ability to serve other selves on deeper levels starts with better self-knowledge and a more intuitional approach exercised in meditation. Jeremy introduces a couple more sessions from the 1970s that reinforce this concept of love's current through the illusion via desire as well as the mysterious, creative, inspirational nature of true service.

• Hatonn on desire and service (February 13, 1974)
• Ra on children’s responsibility (Session 18, Question 7)
• Monka on mirroring within and without (February 24, 2024)
• Oorkas on the illusion melting away (September 21, 2024)
• Luke on Jesus's prayer in solitude (Luke 5:16)
• Hatonn on seeking and progress (April 22, 1974)
• Hatonn on the difficulties of service (April 30, 1974)
• Hatonn on the readiness to serve (February 15, 1976)

After a long break, Nithin and Jeremy return to discuss a 1974 Hatonn session that presages the Ra contact revelations in so many ways. In the context of the long lineage of Confederation channeling, they discuss what they mean by love and light, how they interact and relate to the first distortion, free will. This leads them to address thoughts on the nature of manifestation and the thread connecting it back to the Creator through a variety of successive distortions, a task that doesn't quite yield to the intellect. Evolution then tracks through time the process of this thread being traced back to unity, as we learn how to truly become self-conscious enough to become a participant in the Creator's evolutionary project.

• Hatonn on love and light (February 11, 1974)
• How the Heart Cries Out (First Distortion Press)
• Ra on negative information (Session 26, Question 36)
• Ra on limitless light (Session 78, Question 9)
• Q’uo on the second mind, the heart (March 3, 1991)
• Ra on the steps of light at harvest (Session 51, Question 1)
• Pure motion in Larsonian physics (lrcphysics.com)
• Ra on second density harvest (Session 19, Question 2)
• Ra on children's responsibility (Session 18, Question 7)

Nithin and Jeremy welcome "Linus," an anonymous Other Selves Working Group member, to the show to help them discuss Ra's concept of contemplation. Distinguishing it from meditation and prayer, they examine these three forms of inner work, observing how contemplation addresses the attention to one's conscious mind in a way congruent to meditation's attention to the deep mind. Reflecting on their own experiences with contemplation, the trio discuss how contemplation relates to other aspects of the seeker's life, especially its relationship with inward inquiry, catalysis, and growth.

• Ra on meditation, contemplation, visualization, and prayer (Session 49, Question 8)
• Ra on daydreaming (Session 16, Question 54](https://www.lawofone.info/s/16#54))
• Ra on contemplation stimulated by warfare (Session 65, Question 7)
• Cunningham's Law (Wikipedia)
• Ra's balancing technique example (Session 46, Question 9)
• Subscribe to the Other Selves Working Group's newsletter, Working Notes, for updates on the fruits of our gathering in June as well as the Richmond Meditation Circle's forthcoming book, How the Heart Cries Out.

Jeremy is once more joined by Steve Tyman to continue their discussion of the mind and body cycles of the tarot images and their relation to the archetypal mind. They begin with a recapitulation of the idea behind concept complexes with an emphasis on the veil's effect on the operation of the significator. This leads to discussion of the liminal station of transformation and the summarizing/integrating station of the great way, where one can see the reflection of the mind in the body and the delicate resonances of the logoic plan in the archetypal mind. Steve and Jeremy tie back the polarity introduced by the veil between the conscious and unconscious minds which features prominently in understanding the character of transformation and the great way. This sets the stage for tackling the spirit cycle, which we shall address in a future episode in light of the relationships articulated up to this point between the seven stations and the two cycles.

• A Deep Dive Into the Archetypes, Part 1 (Episode 55)
• A Egyptian Tarot Imagery tool online (https://thirddensity.com/tarot/)
• Ra on the complexification of the significator (Session 79, Question 42)
• Ra on the shadows of archetypes in "earlier" octaves (Session 79, Questions 29-30)
• Q'uo on the latent but unarticulated negativity in past octaves (June 18, 2023)
• Ra on the Transformation of Mind (Session 99, Question 8)
• Ra on the initiate releasing distortions (Session 57, Question 14)
• Ra on the Transformation of Body (Session 81, Question 13)
• Ra on the abandonment of the unchosen polarity (Session 100, Question 6)
• Q'uo on the spiralling of cyclical development (August 7, 2007)
• Ra on transformation or experience stations in other archetypal minds (Session 91, Question 17) Note: I erroneously remembered Ra saying that in earlier octaves, one archetypal system featured either a transformation station or a great way station, but not both. Steve mistakenly agreed with me. In fact, the example Ra described involved one system including catalyst and experience and the other including catalyst and transformation. The error somewhat undermines our brief discussion of the connection between the transformation and great way stations, but not entirely.
• Ra on the athanor metaphor in the Great Way of Body (Session 81, Question 14)
• Ra on the veil in the Great Way of Mind tarot image (Session 103, Question 11)
• Ra on the harnessing of the chariot in the Great Way of Mind tarot image (Session 103, Question 12)
• Ra on programming an incarnation to hone "a blunt edge of hatred or anger" (Session 54, Question 22)

Nithin and Jeremy team up to explore Confederation messages that discuss those darker parts of the self less understood and accepted. Extremely few if any of us lack imbalances, so we always have material to work with coming through in our dreams, our biases, our catalyst, and those crazy ways we surprise ourselves. Several Confederation messages suggest that incorporating the shadow self into the greater self is part of the service-to-others path where we gain our grit and tenacity to continue walking the path when it is toughest. Jeremy ties in Monka's recent comments on introjection and projection aspects of the mirroring effect and how it relates to the shadow self.

• Carla Rueckert on the shadow self (Bean, Gary, Tilting at Windmills, 2016, p. 319)
• Monka on Mirroing Without and Within (February 24, 2024)
• Q'uo on the dark side (February 10, 2002)
• Q'uo on harvest and the shadow self (September 17, 2006)
• Q'uo on peace, dark, and light (December 21, 2003)
• Ra on negative stimulation of green ray (Session 72, Question 17)
• Q'uo on integrating the shadow self (March 10, 1996)
• Q'uo on the shadow self and magical working (November 5, 2023)
• Q'uo on the shadow self and authoritarian personalities (June 17, 2023)

Nithin and Jeremy welcome back Jamie Liestman, who last spoke with us on dreams and the Law of One in episode 48. This time we cover some new ground, starting with Jamie describing how she uses art to better work with her dreams. We discuss the qualitative nature of dreams as time/space experiences, stressing the primacy of their subjective, affective, and atemporal properties. After lamenting the lack of respect society shows dreams, they analyze a Q'uo message to explore how waking life might be symbolically interpreted as if it were a dream in a way benefiting the seeker.

• (inaudible), episode 48 (inaudible.show)
• Q'uo on working with dreams (September 4, 2005)
• Latwii on dream interpretation (July 4, 1982)
• Q'uo on time/space and dreams (June 19, 2023)
• Hatonn on dreams (July 18, 1976)
• Q'uo on interpreting waking life symbolically (May 6, 2017)
• Ra on dreams bridging the conscious and unconscious (Session 86, Question 12)

Steve Tyman joins Jeremy for the first of a series of conversations on the twenty-two archetypes that provide a tool for working with the archetypal mind. In this episode they focus on the first five stations of the mind and body cycles: matrix, potentiator, catalyst, experience, and significator. Starting with a re-introduction to the very idea of what an archetype is, they discuss some aspects of these ten archetypes as well as what is meant by "mind" and "body" specifically, with some digressions into the nature of time/space as contrasted to space/time. The other archetypes—the spirit cycle as well as the transformation and great way stations of mind and body—will be discussed in future episodes.

Consider watching this on YouTube where the archetype images are spliced in to help the listener grasp the connections.

• Episode 16: An Introduction to the Archetypal Mind (inaudible podcast)
• The major arcana images from the Egyptian Tarot (thirddensity.com)
• Ra on the sevenfold nature of energy centers, densities, and archetypes (Session 78, Question 30)
• Q'uo on the Matrix, Potentiator, and Significator (August 1, 2021)
• Ra on the male and female concepts in the archetypes (Session 92, Question 20)
• Ra on the polarized interpretation of catalyst (Session 94, Question 12)
• Ra's supermarket example (Session 33, Question 8)
• Ra on the unconscious perception of catalyst (Session 93, Question 20)
• Ra on the matrix and potentiator of body (Session 78, Question 11)
• Yom on the material illusion as an unbiased field of experience (April 23, 1989)