Note: This episode was recorded as part of E3: Engage and Empower with Empathy, the original version of this podcast. It is now part of Return on Empathy (ROE)—a podcast series focused on the measurable impact of empathy in the workplace.

In this insightful leadership podcast episode, Sarah Kernion explores how nonverbal communication, motherhood, and empathy shape stronger leaders and healthier corporate cultures. Drawing from her experience parenting children with profound autism, she introduces the powerful idea of “inchstones” over milestones, encouraging leaders to recognize progress through small, meaningful moments. The conversation highlights how intentional recognition, emotional awareness, and effective communication skills can transform workplace connection and morale. Kernion also shares why embracing discomfort is essential for personal growth and how celebrating small wins fuels motivation across teams. Whether you’re focused on leadership development, building a culture of empathy, or redefining success through inchstones, this episode offers practical insights to help you lead with humanity and purpose.

Sound Bites

"Don't be reactive, take a pause to observe."

"The only downside is your discomfort."

"Just do the next right thing."

Chapters

00:00 Introduction and Personal Journey

04:47 The Impact of Nonverbal Communication

10:45 Lessons from Motherhood and Leadership

16:01 Inchstones vs. Milestones

21:35 Creating a Culture of Recognition

27:13 Embracing Discomfort for Growth

Check out Sarah’s Inchstones podcast: https://open.spotify.com/show/2b060ReJxw9d6UykbeoXlN?si=b2830cce711a4b81

Sarah’s Substack: https://inchstones.substack.com/

Sarah’s website: https://saturdaysstory.com/

Learn more about The Empathy Collective: https://www.theempathycollective.com/