In this episode Amber and Martin revisit their earlier discussion on diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI), given recent developments. They explore the shift from DEI being seen as progressive to it becoming a controversial topic. Amber shares her insights on how inclusion should be prioritized in DEI conversations to ensure diverse voices contribute meaningfully. The hosts also delve into the importance of redefining concepts of equality and equity, emphasizing the need for conscious organizational practices that foster inclusive environments. This episode highlights the dynamic nature of DEI discussions and the importance of continually reassessing approaches to these crucial issues.