In a special live recording of the podcast, Michael Liebriech, Katharina Umpfenbach and Dennis Hesseling join the team to discuss shifting the energy infrastructure of today into a decarbonised system of tomorrowSufficient and effective physical infrastructure—either electricity cables or gas pipelines—is vital for a successful energy transition. But the planning and building of any new such infrastructure has not received the attention it deserves with most debates focussing on the scaling up of renewable energies or on market rules for power, gas and hydrogen. With the goal of practically eliminating gas from the energy mix and depending on electrons for our power, scaling back the pipelines and extending the cables over the next two decades is a huge undertaking. In this special live podcast—recorded at an event organised by Agora Energiewende, the Regulatory Assistance Project, Energy Cities and FORESIGHT Climate and Energy—we discussed how moving away from fossil fuels is more than just a fuel change. Our guests on the podcast this week are Dennis Hesseling, head of gas, coal and power at the International Energy Agency; Katharina Umpfenbach, head of infrastructure and energy systems at the German energy agency, Dena; and Michael Liebriech, CEO of Liebriech Associates, managing partner of EcoPragma Capital and host of rival energy podcast, “Cleaning Up – Leadership in an Age of Climate Change”.Enjoy the show. If you have any thoughts or questions about anything that has been discussed in this week’s episode, you can reach us at our Twitter accounts:David Weston: https://twitter.com/DaveW_FORESIGHTKira Taylor: https://twitter.com/KiraTaylor15Dennis Hesseling: https://www.linkedin.com/in/dennishesselingKatharina Umpfenbach: https://twitter.com/UmpfenbachKMichael Libriech: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mliebreich@WattMattersPod: https://twitter.com/WattMattersPodFORESIGHT Climate & Energy: https://twitter.com/FORESIGHTdkListen and subscribe to Watt Matters wherever you get podcasts. Follow us on Twitter at @WattMattersPod or email us at [email protected]. You can also find FORESIGHT Climate & Energy on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/foresight-climate-energy/.Illustration: Masha Krasnova-Shabaeva.Show notes via this link: https://foresightdk.com/wm-ep42/.TRY FULL ACCESS TO FORESIGHT CLIMATE & ENERGY FOR €1 A DAYJoin over 100,000 policymakers, energy experts in business, finance, and academia, city leaders, and leading NGOs in having access to FORESIGHT Climate & EnergyGET YOUR 30 DAY TRIAL: www.foresightdk.com/subscribe/.

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