Forest campaigners Avi Mahaningtyas and Patrick Anderson talk about the importance of recognising forest peoples rights in  Indonesia, the  30 by 30 Biodiversity Convention, the effectiveness of tropical timber boycotts and certification, the success of lobbying financiers,  the effect of social media, and the slow food movement.Guests:  Avi Mahaningtyas is a     board member of the. Shas been working in the non government sector in Indonesia for the last 25 years. Her main focuses have been environmental policy and practice, community business development, women’s empowerment, indigenous peoples rights and governance reform. Avi is an environmental consultant and knowledge facilitator.  Patrick Anderson, is with The Rainforest Information Centre and is a policy advisor with the Forest Peoples Programme, a human rights group that supports forest peoples’ struggles throughout the wet tropics Music Nathan May: Its gotta start somewhere 2023LinksMission and Values - Rainforest Action Network (ran.org) The Rainforest Information CentreProfile: Patrick Anderson’s career in environmental and human rights movements - New MandalaForest Peoples ProgrammeForest Politics in Indonesia: Drivers of Deforestation and Dispossession | FPP (forestpeoples.org)