Was Joseph Smith’s use of seer stones evidence of superstition — or of divine power?
In this episode of Informed Saints, hosts Jasmin Rappleye, Neal Rappleye, and Stephen Smoot sit down with Dr. Gerrit Dirkmaat (BYU professor, historian, and author of From Darkness unto Light) to explore the historical sources behind the Book of Mormon translation. Together, they discuss what the witnesses saw, how early Saints understood seer stones and the Urim and Thummim, and why the very strangeness of the translation process actually strengthens, rather than weakens, the case for its divinity.
Why Joseph’s contemporaries saw seer stones as miraculous, not fraudulent
How early accounts from Emma Smith, Martin Harris, and others describe the translation
The difference between folk magic, biblical precedent, and divine seership
Why the physical reality of the gold plates remains the strongest defense of Joseph’s calling
A faith-affirming conversation that blends history, theology, and testimony.
Here are some of the resources discussed in the episode as well as other valuable resources on this topic!
-Artwork credit to Anthony Sweat who granted permissions for us to share his incredible artwork.
https://www.anthonysweat.comStart here (official & concise)
Gospel Topics — Book of Mormon Translationhttps://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/manual/gospel-topics-essays/book-of-mormon-translation
Church History Topic — Seer Stoneshttps://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/history/topics/seer-stones
Saints, Vol. 1 (The Standard of Truth)https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/history/saints-v1
Primary sources (witnesses & early attestations)
Emma Smith’s 1879 “Last Testimony” (PDF)https://rsc.byu.edu/sites/default/files/pub_content/pdf/testimony%20of%20emma%20smith.pdf
Joseph Knight Sr. reminiscences (Church History Library catalog)https://catalog.churchofjesuschrist.org/record/37b7b91c-4148-45d6-8f32-df4acf06fe99
David Whitmer — An Address to All Believers in Christhttps://archive.org/details/addresstoallbeli00whit
Early newspaper: Jonathan A. Hadley (Palmyra Freeman, 1829)https://rsc.byu.edu/coming-forth-book-mormon/joseph-smiths-negotiations-publish-book-mormon
Wilford Woodruff Papers (Urim & Thummim; Manti consecration)https://www.wilfordwoodruffpapers.org/day-in-church-history/1841-12-02
Scholarship & synthesis (faithful)
Turley, Jensen & Ashurst-McGee — “Joseph the Seer” (Ensign, Oct. 2015)https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/ensign/2015/10/joseph-the-seer
BYU Studies — Opening the Heavens (Translation Documents)https://byustudies.byu.edu/online-book/opening-the-heavens/5
Printing & publication context
Printing and Publishing the Book of Mormon (Church History Topic)https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/history/topics/printing-and-publishing-the-book-of-mormon
From Gutenberg to Grandin (RSC)https://rsc.byu.edu/prelude-restoration/gutenberg-grandin
Recommended books (trusted Latter-day Saint scholarship)
MacKay & Dirkmaat — From Darkness unto Light (RSC)https://rsc.byu.edu/book/darkness-unto-light
Dirkmaat & MacKay — Let’s Talk About the Translation of the Book of Mormon (Deseret Book)https://www.deseretbook.com/product/P6012373.html
- MacKay & Frederick — Joseph Smith’s Seer Stones (RSC)
https://rsc.byu.edu/book/joseph-smiths-seer-stones
Bushman — Joseph Smith: Rough Stone Rolling (Publisher page)https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/22031/joseph-smith-by-richard-lyman-bushman/
Joseph Smith—History 1https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/pgp/js-h/1
Mosiah 8https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/bofm/mosiah/8
Alma 37https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/bofm/alma/37
Doctrine & Covenants 3https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/dc-testament/dc/3
Doctrine & Covenants 8https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/dc-testament/dc/8
Doctrine & Covenants 17https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/dc-testament/dc/17