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Is the American church asleep at the wheel—on the very edge of spiritual collapse while pretending all is well?

In one of the most profound and challenging episodes yet, Catherine welcomes world-renowned evangelist Nick Vujicic to the show for a candid, no-holds-barred conversation that every Christian parent needs to hear. Born without arms or legs, Nick’s extraordinary journey from hopelessness to hope has reached over 2 billion people across 74 countries. But today, his urgent warning is not for the world, but for the American church and its families.

Nick Vujicic pulls no punches, declaring:

“We are asleep, we're on a ventilator… If we don't actually repent as a country, we're about to be jack hammered, dude.”

This episode began in Episode 146 with intentions to discuss cancel culture and Christian values in finance but quickly transforms—through a “divine interruption”—into a prophetic wake-up call. The conversation exposes the deep divides, delusions, and complacency within the Western church, shining a light on the dire need for unity, repentance, and genuine disciple-making.

Key insights and takeaways:

• The American church is dangerously divided, distracted by political tribalism, and often failing to address real issues like pornography, mental health, and compassion for the hurting.
• Nick laments the “delusional” state of believers who substitute church growth for true discipleship, warning that, “We are going to be the biggest judged country in the world because we were given the most. And look at what we've done.”
• Leadership accountability is critical: Many pastors are unable to address taboo topics like sexual addiction and abortion, often because they themselves are ensnared or complicit.
• True revival starts at home: Nick urges parents to reclaim spiritual leadership, prioritize Scripture memorization, serve the poor, and model real faith—instead of outsourcing spiritual formation to church leaders.
• Catherine echoes Nick’s call, sharing how a change in church “soil” radically transformed her children’s faith journey and underlining the need for churches that are both uncompromising and overflowing with love for the lost.

Notable moments:

• Nick’s passionate critique: “If your church didn’t teach you how to preach to your neighbor in love, they failed you.”
• A heartfelt challenge to pastors and youth leaders: “If you actually allow one of His kids to get off the path, it’s better for you to commit suicide… That’s how sacred your job is.”
• Catherine’s warning: “We can’t make America great again if we don’t know what made it great in the first place… we need a deep church, not a wide church.”

About Our Guest: Nick Vujicic is a world-renowned evangelist, motivational speaker, and founder of Nick V Ministries. Born without arms or legs in Australia, Nick has inspired millions across 84 countries, reaching over 2 billion people with the message of hope and Jesus Christ. After facing cancelation by his own bank for his Christian convictions, Nick co-founded ProLife Fintech to empower believers to steward their finances according to their faith. Despite being “canceled” by major corporations for his faith, Nick refuses to back down from the call to awaken and unite the church.

Parents, are you awake? Are you equipping your children with a biblically grounded faith that can withstand the pressures and confusions of today’s world? Are you modeling true discipleship—or just religious activity?

Tune in to this urgent, eye-opening episode and consider: What is God calling you and your family to change? And is it time to plant your family in deeper soil for the sake of your children’s faith?

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How does Scripture point to Christ? Together, we are studying Old and New Testament passages over the course of the year, learning how all of Scripture speaks to Jesus. Join us as we dive deep into the Old and New Testament and marvel at the ways Jesus is on every page of the Bible.

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The Exodus Way Q+R (E14) — What birth imagery do we find in Exodus? Are there hyperlinks elsewhere in the Bible that connect to Pharaoh’s hardened heart? And is the circumcision story with Zipporah and Moses’ son connected to Passover? In this episode, Tim and Jon respond to your questions from our Exodus Way series. Thank you to our audience for your thoughtful contributions to this episode!

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CHAPTERS

1. Intro (0:00-2:27)
2. Do the seven women in Exodus mirror the seven women in Genesis? (2:27-11:31)
3. What birth imagery can we pull out of the exodus story? (11:31-24:27)
4. Are there hyperlinks elsewhere in the Bible that connect to Pharaoh’s hardened heart? (24:27-34:37)
5. Is the circumcision story with Zipporah and Moses’ son connected to Passover? (34:37-38:54)
6. How are the Passover and Yom Kippur lambs connected? (38:54-58:57)
7. Is there any connection between God’s Spirit descending on Jesus like a dove at his baptism and the dove Noah sent out of the ark? (58:50-1:07:28)

OFFICIAL EPISODE TRANSCRIPT

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REFERENCED RESOURCES

• Find our special interview episode with BibleProject Fellow Tamara Knudson: The Seven Women Who Rescued Moses—and Israel
• Recovering Paul's Mother Tongue: Language and Theology in Galatians by Susan Grove Eastman
• In response to the question about God hardening Pharaoh's heart, Tim references our series on the Exodus Scroll, specifically episode 2, Yahweh and the Exodus. We also addressed this topic in the Exodus 1-18 Q+R
• Tim mentions Hebrew Bible scholars Richard Whitekettle, Jacob Milgrom, and Jonathan Klawans, though not any specific works by them.
• Jon mentions a previous episode where we discussed Zipporah and Moses’ son: Did God Try To Kill Moses?
• Lamb of the Free: Recovering the Varied Sacrificial Understandings of Jesus's Death by Andrew Remington Rillera
• You can view annotations for this episode—plus our entire library of videos, podcasts, articles, and classes—in the BibleProject app, available for Android and iOS.
• Check out Tim’s extensive collection of recommended books here.

SHOW MUSIC

• BibleProject theme song by TENTS 

SHOW CREDITS

Production of today’s episode is by Lindsey Ponder, producer, and Cooper Peltz, managing producer. Tyler Bailey is our supervising engineer, who edited today’s episode and also provided the sound design and mix. JB Witty does our show notes, and Hannah Woo provides the annotations for our app. Our host and creative director is Jon Collins, and our lead scholar is Tim Mackie. 

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"For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, declares the Lord. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts." - Isaiah 55:8-9

You don’t have to study Scripture long to realize that God’s wisdom differs sharply from what the world considers wise. John Cortines joins us today to talk about the nature of wisdom, and spoiler alert— it’s a Person, not a thing.

John Cortines is the Director of Grantmaking at The Maclellan Foundation. He is the author of our new study on the book of Ecclesiastes, Wisdom Over Wealth: 12 Lessons from Ecclesiastes on Money, as well as the co-author of God and Money: How We Discovered True Riches at Harvard Business School and True Riches: What Jesus Really Said About Money and Your Heart.

In our modern world, we often equate wisdom with knowledge, education, and the ability to make good decisions. While these aspects are certainly part of it, Ecclesiastes teaches us that wisdom is far more than intellectual mastery or a collection of best practices. In fact, wisdom is not just a set of principles—it is a person. That person is Jesus Christ.

Throughout Ecclesiastes, the Preacher (likely King Solomon) wrestles with the big questions of life: What is our purpose? Where can we find joy? How should we handle money? The book explores the various paths people take—seeking pleasure, accumulation, and status—but ultimately concludes that all these pursuits are vanity, or "chasing after the wind."

The key takeaway? True wisdom is found in fearing God and keeping His commandments. But it's not merely about following rules—it’s about cultivating a relationship with God through Christ.

Ecclesiastes isn’t just a book about the limitations of human wisdom; it points us to the deeper truth that wisdom is found in a relationship with God. Near the end of Ecclesiastes, we read that "the words of the wise are like goads," and these words come from "one shepherd."

Interestingly, this shepherd's identity is made clear in the New Testament, where Jesus identifies Himself as the Good Shepherd in the Gospel of John. Not only does Jesus impart wisdom, but He is wisdom. In Colossians, we learn that Jesus is the one who orders and sustains all things—He embodies wisdom.

Paul writes in 1 Corinthians 1:30 that Jesus became "to us wisdom from God, righteousness, and sanctification." This concept shifts our understanding of wisdom from a set of teachings to a relationship with a person.

Ecclesiastes acknowledges the limits of human wisdom. Even Solomon, renowned for his wisdom, struggled to make sense of life’s paradoxes. He sought knowledge, but it never gave him lasting meaning. In fact, knowledge alone cannot answer the deeper questions of life, such as suffering, uncertainty, or death.

True wisdom isn't found in education or achievement; it's received fro

In this episode, Dr. John Neufeld explores the concept of common grace—God’s kindness shown to all people, regardless of their faith. Drawing from Genesis 20 and Psalm 145, Dr. John challenges the belief that humanity is inherently good, showing instead how God restrains evil and allows goodness to flourish, even among those who do not know Him. Discover how recognizing God’s grace in the world can reshape your faith and guard you from fear and sin.

Confident Faith: In this 4-week series on Genesis 18-25, Dr. John Neufeld looks at the life of Abraham and unpacks the topic of faith. How is faith formed? How does faith mature? And how can faith help us trust in what God has promised, even though we can’t see it yet

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Today on Bold Steps, Pastor Mark Jobe shows us how to stand strong in the face of persecution and adversity. He has often said that as believers we should be following a different compass … which helps us stay grounded and prepared as we go in the opposite direction of the culture around us. It’s a hard thing to stand against the waves, but a rescue is coming. And we need to trust God’s perfect timing.

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