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Kate Waugh was crowned World U23 Triathlon Champion in 2022. It was the culmination of years of hard work - she did her first triathlon at the age of 7 or 8 and has been racing internationally since she was a youngster, becoming European Junior Champion in 2017 and also runner up World Junior Champion behind Taylor Knibb that same year. She was based in Leeds for University but made a switch to Paulo Sousa's international squad for the 2023 season.

You'll hear:

06:00 Kate Waugh's sporty background as a kid - she did gymnastics and used to love riding her bike with her Dad and Grandad.

12:00 How Kate got into triathlon as a youngster and how she remembers she had a competitive spirit when she was a child. She also talks about how she balanced triathlon and her school work "I still wanted to be a teenager when I was younger and my mum encouraged me to have a balanced life." "I had to be very disciplined."

17:00 How does she find balance these days?

18:30 Kate talks about her 5 years in Leeds, having had a year out before Uni and then doing a degree in Psychology.

21:00 We talk nerves and pressure and expectations on Kate - she was European Junior Champion in 2017. Does she feel pressure to succeed? "It's only been the last few years, but if I overthink it, I then race rubbish." "You want to prove constantly that you're worth the investment, but if you let that all build up inside you, it never ends well. The result will be what the result will be."

26:00 Why Kate has moved from Leeds to Paulo Sousa's squad - living abroad and away from home and training and racing in a squad environment.

29:00 Paris Olympics "I'm going to go for it now, but it's going to be super tough."

31:00 We touch on language learning and being competitive on Doulingo :)

35:00 When did Kate realise she could be an elite triathlon and what are her goals in the sport?

Find out more about this week's guest:

Kate Waugh Instagram

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Lucy Byram is a young British professional middle distance triathlete from Yorkshire. She got into sport from a young age, doing everything from gymnastics to football but it was running and triathlon that she and her twin sister really loved. It was when she went to University in Leeds that she really threw herself into triathlon. She progressed through the squads while she was doing her Law degree and concentrated on short course racing. It was only in 2021 when she entered the British Middle Distance championships, and won, that she decided to get her pro card.

You'll hear:

22:00 About her sporty childhood and doing lots of sport with her twin sister and why they were so encouraging of each other.

23:00 Talks about the influence 2012 Olympian Lucy Hall had on Lucy and her sister.

26:30 The decision of going to Leeds was a big factor in choosing to go to Leeds Beckett Uni. We talk about what it's like being part of the triathlon scene in Leeds.

28:30 Why she lacks a bit of self belief with her triathlon.

29:30 Juggling a degree in Law with doing triathlon at a high level at University.

31:00 Why she decided to give professional racing a go after winning the British Middle Distance Championships in 2021 and then trying to race as much as possible in 2022 to gain experience. She talks about how Lucy Hall took her under her wing.

34:30 What happened at Challenge Wales when Lucy stopped to help a male competitor... And still went on to win.

36:30 How the rest of her 2022 panned out

40:00 We talk about nerves and competitiveness and the atmosphere on a start line.

43:30 Triathlon in Yorkshire, what is it like and why is it such a good place to live and train?

45:00 Does she work as well as train? How does she make it work financially? And what are her hopes for 2023?

46:30 Why she still wants to learn more about racing and why she's trying to figure it out.

48:30 Why she finds trying to make a living the hardest part about being a professional triathlete.

50:30 Is Ironman on the cards at some point?

Find out more about this week's guest:

Lucy Byram Instagram

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Paulo Sousa is a High Performance Coach who works with the likes of Paula Findlay, Taylor Spivey, Summer Rapperport and World Under 23 champion Kate Waugh. He has built his elite squad over the years, but his path into coaching is an unusual one. He studied mechanical engineering at University in Portugal, doing a Masters and then a PhD. And it was while he was at University that he got involved with the triathlon team. And that's how it all started...

You'll hear:

09.30 Paulo talks about how he decided to go into High Performance Coaching, rather than a career in academia. He mentions why Modern Pentathlon wasn't for him.

15:30 Did he always want to go into High Performance and the elite side of coaching?

18:00 Given Paulo's different path into Elite Coaching, what does he think makes a good coach?

20:00 The worst moment of the interview. Paulo picks me up on mentioning the N word within 10 minutes.

22:00 How do you you build an elite squad of athletes? "Bull sh*t can only go so far."

26:00 We talk about the age group World vs the elite world and the 'bullsh*t that comes with it.'

28:00 Keeping things simple Vs Keeping things fresh

32:00 We talk about time constraints for Age Groupers and why it requires a different approach to elite training, but a simple approach works.

33:00 Who's in Paulo's team? And what does a team approach mean within his squad?

36:00 Working for a federation Vs Going out on your own and having your own squad away from National Federations.

40:30 Paulo talks about Chelsea Sodaro becoming Ironman World Champion in 2022. Sodaro went to Paulo when she first moved to triathlon from running.

44:00 Paulo talks about his athlete scholarship programme and why is didn't work out. "Taking risks and not being afraid of failing is a big part of high performance."

46:00 We talk about elite athletes and making money Vs being an influencer and why prize money needs to be greater. 'This low prize money has pushed the sport into this niche where these athletes cannot make a living just from being incredible athletes. Winning races is not enough."

50:00 How does Paulo cope when he feels like he has failed his athletes?

Find out more about this week's guest:

Paulo Sousa Instagram

Paulo Sousa twitter

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Inside Tri Show tries hard to share the stories of male and female athletes, from the world of triathlon and beyond. But you'll often notice more men than women lining up at races, from local triathlons to full distance events, men often out number women. So in this special episode, we're celebrating all things women in triathlon and some of the projects trying to get more women involved in the sport.

You'll hear:

You'll meet the 5 women who'll be making up the Inside Tri Show team of women who will be taking on THE ROC Wales in September.

Plus hear from Fund Her Tri UK, the charity trying to get more women on triathlon start lines.

And how the idea of doing an Ironman grew into something so much bigger, from 10Ironwomen.

Find out more about this week's guests:

Fund Her Tri UK

10 Ironwomen

THE ROC Triathlons see you in Wales in May and September!

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Mel Nicholls is one of a kind and despite three strokes in her early 20s, Mel has vowed to never stop dreaming big. She has represented Great Britain at two Paralympics in para athletics, switched to Para cycling before setting her eyes on a 3rd Paralympics in Paris, this time in Para triathlon. Mel has hand-cycled around the Faroe Islands, from Lands End to John O'Groats as well as all around Great Britain. Her passion and enthusiasm for life is infectious.

You'll hear:

06:30 Mel talks about her background, her love for the outdoors as a child and how watching the Beijing paralympics inspired her to find out what she could do in sport after her second stroke.

08:30 Within 15 months of starting wheelchair racing, Mel was competing around the world. She got an unexpected call-up to the London Paralympics a month out and took part in her first international event at the Games. She continued to Rio on the track and then took a step back to focus on marathons and longer distance. 'Seeing where I could go with the marathon was exciting'

10:30 How she got into hand-cycling and para cycling.

12:30 The move to Para Triathlon and how she got into that, despite ultra cycling being her absolute passion. How she ended up on the start line of a triathlon.

18:30 The pressure she put on herself in her first triathlon. And how she ended up doing a World Series Paratriathlon race in Swansea as her second ever triathlon. 'I'd do one more she said.' And then from there she got involved in the British Paratriathlon team.

26:30 Balancing her need and thirst for adventure with being on a high performance programme and the different pressures.

31:30 We talk a bit about the Pan Celtic race - Mel was the first hand-cyclist to do it in 2022.

36:00 Mel's cycling adventure around the Faroe Islands. What appealed, why did she go there, how was it? 'not many people cycle the Faroe Islands at all, let alone hand cycle!' The kind people who made an impression on her and why she came wanting to say 'yes' to every opportunity. 'if you're approachable and you smile at people, they want to smile back'.

41:30 Having trust in human nature and trying to be open and take time to speak to people and have those conversations in the street. 'You can easily make someone's day by stopping and chatting and talking.'

42:30 Advice for getting back from being at rock bottom, whether after a big injury, a huge health set-back or something else. 'It's your life and you have to find the way to do something' There's nothing you can't do, you just have to find a different different way of doing it.'

48:30 What are Mel's dreams now? I'm just going to keep the dreams and make them bigger and bigger and bigger.

Find out more about this week's guest:

Mel Nicholls Instagram

Mel Nicholls website

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In 2022, vet Laura Massey-Pugh and her husband Stevie cycled around the World on a tandem in 180 days. 83 days faster than the previous record. Discover where the idea came from, how to plan such an adventure, why fast-food played a big part and what it's really like staring at someone else's backside day in, day out for 6 months!

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SteLa Tandem Instagram

SteLa Tandem website

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Alice Hector's story is a fascinating one. She's been involved in sport all of her life. She was a professional triathlete from 2014-2019, claiming an Ironman 70.3 title She was an Ironman 70.3 Winner and twice took bronze at the European Middle Distance Championships. After falling out of love with triathlon, she switched back to Ultra Running, before finding her calling in the world of Body Building.

You'll hear:

06:00 Triathlon, retiring and why Alice had a love-hate relationship with it, how the hunger went and why she stopped enjoying the process.

09:30 Why Alice enjoyed the simplicity of ultra running compared to triathlon, but why Alice started to not enjoy the process and how ultra running became another stress.

16:00 The journey to getting into body building. 'It wasn't a lightbulb moment, I started doing some soul searching.'

20:00 The difference Body Building made mentally and physically to Alice when she first started.

21:30 Why Alice went back again and again to the gym

24:00 The switch in being lighter for triathlon to being heavier for body building. We delve into the change in mentality to how important strength is.

27:00 Did Alice go to the gym when she was doing endurance sports? And how is that different now? Alice says the training is 'easy' where as when she did triathlon she took is really seriously.

31:00 Does the discipline required for body building and triathlon differ?

33:00 We talk about the diet required for bodybuilding and the difference between the diet for triathlon and body building competitions.

37:00 How does competition compare between triathlon racing and body building competitions?

43:00 Does Alice have an identity again?

47:30 Does her body ever have a break?

Find out more about this week's guest:

Alice Hector Instagram

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Helen heads to Cardiff, South Wales in this week's episode to spend a morning with Dave Tonge (ep. 103) at Heathwood Swimming. Dave has been teaching triathletes and swimmers how to swim for 25 years. He's also helped many former Wales Rugby Internationals with their swimming so they can take on Ironman Wales. Helen meets one such player, Alix Popham, and the 85 year old who is learning to swim. Then Helen has a session with Dave in Endless Pool.

You'll hear:

06:00 Dave Tonge welcomes Helen to Heathwood swim

24:00 Meet Mike, the 85 year old who's been learning to swim with Dave for a year. He was scared of swimming and had never been in the pool. Mike's an inspirational guy who also goes to Crossfit 3 times a week. He decided to learn to swim in his mid-80s because it was on his bucket list.

23:30 Former Rugby International Alix Popham and Dave talk to Helen about the Channel Swim challenge they are involved in October of 2023. A team made up of former rugby union players is taking on a team of former rugby league players in a relay challenge across the English Channel. The majority of the teams have been impacted by early onset dementia. They are raising money for Head For Change.

47:00 Dave gets Helen in the endless pool to help her with her swim technique.

Find out more about this week's guest:

Heathwood Swimming website

Dave Tonge Instagram

Head for Change website

Alix Popham instagram

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French long distance triathlete Leon Chevalier has surprised himself with how far he has come in the sport in such a short space of time. The Bath-based athlete says he 'would be on a Graduate Engineering Programme if it wasn't for Susie and Rob Cheetham.' They noticed he had something special about him and have supported him since 2021. The belief paid off, in 2022 Chevalier completed his Masters in Engineering and finished 6th and 7th at The Ironman World Championships in St George and Kona respectively. 2023 sees Chevalier be a full-time professional for the first time.

You'll hear:

01:30 The amount of indoor training Leon does "its a means to an end. I enjoy being good at something."

05:00 His background in Engineering and how he managed to juggle his Masters degree while trying to be one of the best long distance triathletes in the world. 2023 will be the first year he can do triathlon full-time.

10:00 Is he excited or scared about his job being a triathlete?

11:00 Does he yet feel like he is amongst the best long distance triathletes in the World?

16:00 Why is his English so good?

18:00 The role that Susie and Rob Cheetham have had on Leon's life 'without the Cheetham's, I'd be doing an Engineering grad scheme now.'

22:00 Is he will known in France and how important is Embrunman on the french triathlon scene?

28:00 Leon's thoughts on the men's Ironman World Championships being in Nice, effectively a home race for him and on a hilly course that he likes.

31:00 Leon's one of a group of young male athletes really shaking up the long-distance scene. How does he feel about it?

35:00 Why Leon has started to work with a Sports Psychologist to get his head around the fact he is a full-time triathlete and he's done amazingly well in it. He needed to find his why again.

41:00 Leon's aims for the 2023 season.

Find out more about this week's guest:

Leon Chevalier Instagram

Leon Chevalier website

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Dede Griesbauer is a 52 year old professional triathlete. No, there's no typo there. She was crowned Ultraman World Champion at the end of 2022 and has no plans to stop now. Her voice is well-known voice to triathlon fans as she is part of the Ironman commentary team. Before triathlon she was a Collegiate swimmer, competed at the Olympic trials and worked on Wall Street before turning pro.

You'll hear:

00:00 Dede on her recovery from Ultraman.

04:30 What it means to be a World Champion at 52. 'There is no limit to what you can achieve. You can still do great things and set goals and achieve them at an older age.

06:00 Dede talks about her 30s (even though she says she doesn't really remember them!) when she quit her job on Wall Street and turned Pro. I won my second Ironman as a Pro. There were some difficult years in there and there were some years that brought me to the verge of retirement, there were some dark dark days, but it's such a joy to still be a part of it. I would never have dreamed I'd still be here racing professionally in 2023.

08:00 Dede recalls the time around quitting her Wall Street job and the role her husband played and has played since.

13:00 What did killing a squirrel teach Dede when she was on Summer Camp as an 8 year old and what happened when she tried archery?

18:00 Stubbornness, setbacks, doubt and persistence. "I've never wanted to stay past a point where it's not good any more. Ive always wanted to have a relevance in the sport. But the perspective has changed a lot."

25:00 Why you can carry on longer in sport than people would think 'there's still a lot of meat left on that bone.'

29:00 Dede's thoughts on Ironman splitting the World Championships to separate locations.

33:00 How does Dede react to and deal with the negative comments about Ironman's coverage? "If you think we suck tell us why."

42:00 How has strength work changed for Dede since she turned pro at the age of 35?

47:00 How does Dede come to terms with age as an endurance athlete? 'Getting older has forced me to focus on the minor details.'

52:00 What it's like being coached by Julie Dibens, even though they raced each other in the past.

Find out more about this week's guest:

Dede Griesbauer Instagram

Dede Griesbauer website

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