In this conversation, we discuss:

• Jamie-Lee’s multi-cultural (Māori & European) ancestry and how this influences how she sees the world
• The Māori people and culture 
• Her legal journey from corporate law to community law, family law, collaborative law, and integrative law
• Her experience as an In-house lawyer with the Waitangi tribunal, which was set-up for Māori to assert claims that the crown is in breach of The Treaty of Waitangi/Te Tiriti o Waitangi
• Her work to help support children and families
• Collaborative Law in New Zealand
• Her dream of building a collaborative law practice group or community for lawyers with indigenous links.
• What being an integrative lawyer means to her

Learn more about Jamie-Lee Tuuta and our other featured Integrative Lawyers of the World at https://www.integrativelaw.com/celebrating-and-showcasing-the-global-integrative-law-movement.

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                                                                                                                      ⭐ ⭐ ⭐ ⭐⭐𝐫𝐚𝐭𝐞 𝐮𝐬 𝟓 𝐬𝐭𝐚𝐫𝐬 on 

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Music for this podcast was created by Toby Leach. He may be contacted at: [email protected]

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In this episode, we discuss with Mr. Ousky: 

• The collaborative process & the paradigm shift that collaborative lawyers make 
• Helping parties of divorce look toward a brighter future
• Being an advocate and counselor versus an adversarial gladiator 
• Trial lawyering skills that are good for and not so good for a collaborative lawyer  
• The interconnection between collaborative law and the integrative law movement
• The importance of inner work 
• Possibilities for future lawyers and the legal system
• What being an integrative lawyer means to him

Learn more about Ron Ousky or connect with him at Ousky Yates Law Office & Collaborative Alliance

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𝐈𝐟 𝐲𝐨𝐮 𝐚𝐩𝐩𝐫𝐞𝐜𝐢𝐚𝐭𝐞 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐰𝐨𝐫𝐤 𝐨𝐟 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐬𝐞 𝐥𝐞𝐠𝐚𝐥 𝐜𝐡𝐚𝐧𝐠𝐞𝐦𝐚𝐤𝐞𝐫𝐬 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐰𝐚𝐧𝐭 𝐭𝐨 𝐡𝐞𝐥𝐩 𝐮𝐬 𝐜𝐨𝐧𝐭𝐢𝐧𝐮𝐞 𝐭𝐨 𝐬𝐡𝐚𝐫𝐞 𝐦𝐨𝐫𝐞 𝐬𝐭𝐨𝐫𝐢𝐞𝐬, 𝐩𝐥𝐞𝐚𝐬𝐞:

𝐥𝐢𝐤𝐞 👍🏽👍🏿👍 👍🏾👍🏼 

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 𝐫𝐚𝐭𝐞 𝐮𝐬 𝟓 𝐬𝐭𝐚𝐫𝐬  ⭐ ⭐ ⭐ ⭐⭐ on 

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Music for this podcast was created by Toby Leach. He may be contacted at: [email protected]

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Silvina is an Argentinian Lawyer, based in Buenos Aires. She is the mom of two boys. She has been working as a corporate counsel for the last 10 years in the health industry and she is a Co-founder of La Organización Latinoamericana de Derecho Colaborativo which joins lawyers all around Latin America to spread the word about the benefits of collaborative practice. She is also passionate about human relationships and has been working and developing new ways of advocating to encourage lawyers to change their way of working. 

In this episode, Silvina shares her legal journey from litigator to collaboratively-trained corporate counsel.  

We discussed:

• How being a Mom taught her new things and skills, like compassion, that she didn’t know she had and that makes her a better lawyer
• The period when she wanted to quit the practice of law and what she did,
• The importance of taking a pause, doing something different, and being your true self
• Getting rejected (many times) before finding a place to work that valued her 
• The power of our interpersonal connections and cups of coffee in spreading an idea and building something new
• The collaborative law practice and mindset
• OLADC: la Organización Latinoamericana de Derecho Colaborativo
• How she uses her collaborative training and mindset in her corporate law practice
• What being an integrative lawyer means to her.

Silvina Matisic Contact Info:

Email: [email protected]

LinkedIn Profile: linkedin.com/in/silvina-matisic-ba942162

OLADC: la Organización Latinoamericana de Derecho Colaborativo:

• Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100081576875371
• LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/groups/13977872/

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Music for this podcast was created by Toby Leach. 

He may be contacted at: [email protected]

A watch-only recording of this podcast episode is available at https://youtu.be/dSavULU726c

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Myrna McCallum is a true changemaker and a leading champion of trauma-informed lawyering. She is the host of “The Trauma-Informed Lawyer" Podcast and she acts as a subject matter expert and consultant on trauma-informed policy. Myrna also offers training courses on trauma-informed engagement for leaders, policy makers, police officers, lawyers and judges. She has also become a highly sought after public speaker. Myrna received the 2020 Federal Department of Justice Excellence in Legal Practice and Victim Support Award, the 2022 Canadian Bar Association BC Aboriginal Lawyer’s Forum Special Contributor Award and the 2022 Saskatchewan Ombudsman Game Changer Award. Myrna has co-edied two publications:

• Canadian Law, Indigenous Laws and Critical Perspectives published by CanLII as a Criminal Law Open Access eBook and 
• Trauma-Informed Law: a Primer for Lawyer Resilience and Healing published by the American Bar Association.

She lives in North Vancouver, B.C., Canada.

In this episode, we discuss what being a trauma-informed lawyer is and why being trauma-informed is an essential component for lawyer competency.  In this conversation, we discuss:

• Myrna’s background and legal journey
• Her Métis heritage and how Métis culture
• Being a Trauma-Informed Lawyer
• Trauma in the practice of law and the legal system
• Group trauma
• Vicarious trauma and vicarious resilience
• The hallmarks of trauma-informed lawyering
• The Indigenous Medicine Wheel and living a holistic and balanced life
• How cultural humility, active listening, and inner work are essential for lawyer competency but are not taught in law school
• The principles of being trauma-informed have broad application and relevance in any profession and sector
• What being an integrative lawyer means to her

If you are in  practice that manages fears and stress, then being trauma-informed and this ILOW episode with Myrna McCullum are for you.  

You can listen to Myrna’s  The Trauma-Informed Lawyer podcast here:https://www.myrnamccallum.co/podcast

Myrna McCallum Contact Info:

Email: [email protected]

website: https://www.myrnamccallum.co/

Her Podcast:  The Trauma-Informed Lawyer - https://www.myrnamccallum.co/podcast

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Music for this podcast was created by Toby Leach. He may be contacted at: [email protected]

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Our guest this episode is Raphael Chsubo Masesa.  He is a lecturer at the IIE Varsity College in Cape Town, South Africa and a Board Member for Ubuntuworks Project. He teaches Indigenous law and Integrative law among other law courses. He teaches indigenous law through oral tradition, storytelling, traditional music, poetry and praise on social matters. He has taught more than 15 years at the University of the Western Cape and the IIE Varsity College.

In our conversation, we discuss:

• His integrative law and indigenous law classes;
• How indigenous law is not a practice; it’s his life;
• The meaning of his name and having to take on a Christian/Western name;
• St. Francis of Assisi and his connection to nature and earth;
• Ubuntu and how it can be activated at the individual and collective level;
• How is working to take integrative law to Zambia
• The Integrative Law Retreat

For more information and to contact Ralphael Chsubo Masesa:

Email: [email protected]

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Music for this podcast was created by Toby Leach. He may be contacted at: [email protected]

A watch-only recording of this podcast episode is available at: https://youtu.be/h4ZzKBALwOc

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Our guest in this episode is Anirudh Rastogi of India so interesting.  Anirudh is the founder and managing partner of Ikigai Law which serves technology and innovation. He and Ikigai Law help innovators navigate the uncertain legal waters where technology sails faster than laws and regulations.  He also has an innovative approach to contracts, which he discussed in his TEDx Talk, Reimagining Contracts to Empower Millions. In our conversation, we discussed technology and innovation, visual contracts, and more.

Conversation Highlights:

• Law and technology
• How to manage legal and regulatory uncertainty 
• Balancing our fear of the consequences (known and unknown) with the benefits of technology.  
• How over-regulation can limit technology and innovation
• How technology and innovation develop the solutions to their own problems – if allowed to develop
• How regulation  is sometimes welcomed and can-- if in the right balance –encourage innovation. 
• Examples of innovation and emerging technologies
• Visual Contracts 
• Contract Design versus Contract Drafting
• In designing a contract, lawyers should ask – how can I create this in such a way that it would DELIGHT the parties
• Different ways to design contracts including visual contracts and comic contracts
• Contracts can level the bargaining power of the parties, empower each party, and establish a true meeting of the minds
• What being an integrative lawyer means to him 

For more information and to contact Anirudh:

LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/anirudhrastogi
Ikigai Law Website: https://www.ikigailaw.com/#acceptLicense
Email: [email protected]

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Music for this podcast was created by Toby Leach. He may be contacted at: [email protected]

An watch-only recording of this podcast episode is available at: https://youtu.be/YFWxPlePOjQ

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Marguerite Picard is a facilitator and peacemaker, accredited specialist family lawyer, mediator, arbitrator, collaborative practitioner, and trainer.  She has three innovative businesses: MELCA (Melbourne Collaborative Alliance), Smart Separation, and Support for Lawyers. Her primary interest is in system change away from adversarial thinking to collaborative and interdisciplinary approaches.

In this conversation, we discussed:

• Her journey from criminal lawyer and litigator to integrative and collaborative lawyer
• MELCA and its interdisciplinary approach to helping families move through divorce
• Smart Separation and the right and wrong moves to make when considering a marital separation
• Support for Lawyers and the well-being and mental health issues faced by many lawyers
• The “why” driving her businesses
• How an individual’s healing flows from individuals to their clients, community, and society
• How the adversarial approach leaked into different segments of society from courtrooms to board rooms to newsrooms and her hope that an integrative and collaborative will replace that adversarial approach
• What being an integrative lawyer means to her

For more information and to contact Marguerite:

[email protected]

MELCA (Melbourne Collaborative Alliance
www.melca.com.au

Smart Separation
www.smartseparation.com.au

Support for Lawyers
www.supportforlawyers.com

To support the Integrative Law Movement and effect positive change in our legal systems go to https://www.integrativelaw.com/financial-support-for-the-movement

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Music for this podcast was created by Toby Leach. He may be contacted at: [email protected]

Watch this episode on youtube at: https://youtu.be/Dq6VfRTTxqE

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Femke Wijdekop joins us from The Netherlands. At one point, she felt like the practice of law was not right for her. So, she quit it and worked in a bookstore. But now she is a legal counsel and content manager for Stop Ecocide NL and a member of the Environmental Restorative Justice Working Group.  She is fueled by love – for humanity, for nature, for earth. 

In our conversation, Femke said something that really resonated with me.  She explained that she focuses on the regenerative environmental work and practices being done because by focusing on them we are giving more life and more power to them, which then creates more regenerative practices and work. We talked about this and so much more including: 

• Her Journey from leaving the law to living with purpose with the law
• Earth Law and Ecocide
• Successes with Earth Law and the Stop Ecocide movement
• Her Ted Talk, How Law Can Save the Earth  
• Challenges for Earth Law and the environment
• The interconnection between Restorative Justice and Earth Law
• Integrative Law and what being an integrative lawyer means to her.

For more information and to contact Femke:

https://earthrestorativejustice.org/
Learn more about Femke and our other featured Integrative Lawyers of the World at https://www.integrativelaw.com/celebrating-and-showcasing-the-global-integrative-law-movement/# FemkeWijdekop

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Music for this podcast was created by Toby Leach. He may be contacted at: [email protected]

A video version of this episode is available on YouTube here: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL7R-_wylJ2YQ-uLUPzRJ61bXgRxvGLulY

Jens Magers is corporate lawyer in Germany who specializes in sustainable finance and investment and sustainable corporate governance. He works with the firm Rittershaus and founded its Sustainable and Investment Team. He is also a lecturer on sustainability and corporate governance at one of the leading business schools in Germany. He regularly publishes articles on corporate and sustainability matters. 

In our conversation we discuss:

• Sustainable investment and finance
• Social impact investing
• How he created a new practice team for his firm
• How his firm incorporated sustainability in its operations and policies and now teaches other law firms on how to do the same
• The importance of self-development work and practice for your personal and professional life
• What being an integrative lawyer means to him

For more information on Jens Magers:

https://rittershaus.net/en/rechtsanwaelte/jens-magers.html

To support the Integrative Law Movement and create positive change in our legal system go to: https://www.integrativelaw.com/financial-support-for-the-movement/ (supporters in the USA are able to make tax deductible donations thanks to our fiscal sponsor The Renaissance Lawyer Society https://renaissancelawyer.org/) 

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⭐ 𝗟𝗜𝗞𝗘

⭐ 𝗦𝗨𝗕𝗦𝗖𝗥𝗜𝗕𝗘

⭐ 𝗖𝗢𝗠𝗠𝗘𝗡𝗧

⭐  𝗦𝗛𝗔𝗥𝗘

⭐ 𝟱-𝗦𝗧𝗔𝗥 𝗥𝗔𝗧𝗜𝗡𝗚

Music for this podcast was created by Toby Leach. He may be contacted at: [email protected]

To learn more about Integrative Law and integrative Lawyers of the World:

www.integrativelaw.com

A video version of this episode is available on YouTube here: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL7R-_wylJ2YQ-uLUPzRJ61bXgRxvGLulY

Syed Akbar Hussain is from Pakistan. He is founder of The ADR Initiative and established an accredited mediation training program for law students in Pakistan. He is an ACC mediator, arbitrator, and negotiator in the US, China, and Singapore as well as a World Bank Local Expert and Advocate in the High Courts in Pakistan. 𝗛𝗲 𝗶𝘀 𝗮𝗻 𝗶𝗻𝘁𝗲𝗴𝗿𝗮𝘁𝗶𝘃𝗲 𝗹𝗮𝘄𝘆𝗲𝗿 𝘄𝗵𝗼 𝗯𝗲𝗹𝗶𝗲𝘃𝗲𝘀 𝗶𝗻 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗻𝗼𝘁𝗶𝗼𝗻 𝘁𝗵𝗮𝘁 – 𝗲𝘃𝗲𝗻 𝘁𝗵𝗼𝘂𝗴𝗵 𝗼𝘁𝗵𝗲𝗿𝘀 𝗺𝗮𝘆 𝘁𝗲𝗹𝗹 𝘆𝗼𝘂 𝘆𝗼𝘂𝗿 𝗶𝗱𝗲𝗮 𝗼𝗿 𝘃𝗶𝘀𝗶𝗼𝗻 𝘄𝗼𝗻’𝘁 𝘄𝗼𝗿𝗸, 𝗼𝗻𝗰𝗲 𝘆𝗼𝘂 𝘀𝘁𝗲𝗽 𝗼𝘂𝘁, 𝘆𝗼𝘂 𝘄𝗶𝗹𝗹 𝗳𝗶𝗻𝗱 𝘁𝗵𝗮𝘁 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝘄𝗼𝗿𝗹𝗱 𝗶𝘀 𝗺𝗮𝘀𝘀𝗶𝘃𝗲 𝗮𝗻𝗱 𝘆𝗼𝘂 𝘄𝗶𝗹𝗹 𝗳𝗶𝗻𝗱 𝘆𝗼𝘂𝗿 𝗽𝗲𝗼𝗽𝗹𝗲 𝗮𝗹𝗹 𝗼𝘃𝗲𝗿 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝘄𝗼𝗿𝗹𝗱. As he said in our conversation: “You can do more with all kinds of people to make all kinds of things possible that you never thought were.” 

In our conversation, we discuss: 

👉 How and why he started ADR in Pakistan, including an accredited mediation training

👉 How Covid forced him to stop and slow down – and why he is grateful for that

👉 Finding and living his vision for his legal career with innovation and creativity

👉 AI and ADR

👉 Triggers and conflict of individuals and humanity as a whole

👉 What being an Integrative Lawyer means to him 

and, more!

𝗙𝗼𝗿 𝗺𝗼𝗿𝗲 𝗶𝗻𝗳𝗼𝗿𝗺𝗮𝘁𝗶𝗼𝗻 𝗼𝗿 𝘁𝗼 𝗰𝗼𝗻𝘁𝗮𝗰𝘁 Syed Akbar Hussain 

Email address: [email protected]

Consulting firm: sazhconsulting.com

ADR Initiative: theadrinitiative.com

Learn more about Syed Akbar Hussain and our other featured Integrative Lawyers of the World at https://www.integrativelaw.com/celebrating-and-showcasing-the-global-integrative-law-movement

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Music for this podcast was created by Toby Leach. He may be contacted at: [email protected]

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