Join your hosts Emily Crandall and John McMahon as they interview climate fiction podcasting experts John McMahon and Emily Crandall about Kate Morris’ interview on The Conversation podcast. They dive deep into right-left cancel culture horseshoe theory, the media, notions of violence and non-violence, ecofeminism, and more.

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