Ken Gullette talks with Dan Djurdjevic, an internal martial arts instructor who teaches in Perth, Australia. Dan is a student of Chen Yun Ching, the son of Chen Pan Ling. In this wide-ranging interview, Dan describes the teaching style of Chen Yun Ching, training in the "melee range," his self-defense advice as an attorney and prosecutor, and he offers a valuable self-defense lesson in his practice of "flipping the script," a tactic that is very practical for the kinds of trouble you can experience on the streets.