Intertwined

Intertwined

By Juliette Paula RufSociety & Culture
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Intertwined episodes

  • Indigenous Forest Guardians or Destroyers? A More Nuanced Story — with Fergus O'Leary Simpson

    Are Indigenous peoples always forest guardians? Or can they also become forest destroyers? In this episode, we explore the complex and nuanced reality behind these labels, through the case study of the Batwa community in the Democratic Republic of Congo. My guest, Fergus O'Leary Simpson, joins me to discuss his recent research showing why the answer is not as simple as it seems — and why understanding the social and economic context is key.

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    Our conversation is based on the article 'Indigenous forest destroyers or guardians? The indigenous Batwa and their ancestral forests in Kahuzi-Biega National Park, DRC' (Simpson et al., 2024). We also reference Braiding Sweetgrass by Robin Wall Kimmerer during the discussion.


    39 min
  • Through Western Eyes: How Perceptions of Indigenous Peoples Have Shifted Through History - with Jeremy Narby

    In this first episode, I’m joined by Jeremy Narby to discuss how the perception of Indigenous peoples and their shamans has evolved over the past 450 years, as well as in more recent history. We also explore how combining Indigenous and Western worldviews can lead to a richer understanding of the world around us.

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    Our conversation draws on his books The Cosmic Serpent (Jeremy Narby) and Shamans Through Time: 500 Years on the Path to Knowledge (Jeremy Narby and Francis Huxley).


    34 min

About Intertwined

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Intertwined is a podcast about what happens when Indigenous people, cultures, and knowledge meet the Western world. We dive into the past and present—colonial histories, scientific research, and international efforts—to understand how these worlds have collided, clashed, and can come together. It’s time to move beyond stereotypes and build new ways forward, together.