sitting down with the hardest working runner i've never taught, we talk about how failing calculus in college twice didn't defeat him because of his experience on the cross country team. Listen in as we dive into his methods for keeping his long term motivation and grind up no matter what obstacles life throws, how to stay driven for YEARS. this 2 hour interview could have easily gone for another 2, we finish with some radical thoughts on how the whole education system could be improved. truly one of the greatest conversations i've had, well worth the time.