Gav and Jonny are joined by Steve Aziz - the former Sunderland kitman who spent 12 years with the club, leaving in 2024!

• How did Steve get into being a kitman?
• How did he end up at Sunderland?
• 14 permanent managers in 12 years - we ask about all of them!
• Dubai trips with big Sam and New York with Moyesy...
• What was his relationship like with John Cooke, and what did he make of the way he left the club?
• Would he ever go back to the club?

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