We see our No Grey Areas host, Patrick McCalla, in each podcast episode every other week. But do we REALLY know his struggles, his passions, and what has made him into the amazing man he is today? Well… get ready for the switch-a-roo you didn’t know you needed!

Today, our host, Patrick McCalla is being interviewed by his #1 fan and son-in law, Brandon Lopez. In this episode together they walk through Pat’s different decades of life where he dives into crucial lessons he’s learned along the way. Patrick uncovers some of his darkest moments, what internal vow he had to let go of, how his childhood molded his adult self, and what principle he is following for the rest of his decades here on Earth.

You’re not going to want to miss this exclusive, hilarious, and nostalgic interview podcast!

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