One of Dr. John's favorite people that he's met in the past year through the podcasting experience, is Bob Pessemier. Bob has a podcast called As We Get Older. He is a retired firefighter, baseball player and bonafide hero. This is one of Dr. John's favorite guys to talk to and this is a great interview (pre-COVID-19). Settle in, take a listen to learn, distract and relax.

Topics covered:
The need for having a flexible definition of family;

The choice to stay in love (it's hard work!);


The importance of the proper mindset for success and happiness (fixed vs. growth);


The need for emotional literacy in men;


The Man Box culture - how we are socialized as men - and how it impacts us later as men in relationship;


How men are left with (primarily) anger and most of our emotions get channeled through that lens;


And much, much more. That was just in the first 15 minutes!

Enjoy!