Lilly Ledbetter became famous when President Obama enacted a gender pay equality law named after her life’s story working in America’s heartland, doing the same job as men, but for less pay.

Now, she’s released a book, Grace and Grit: My Fight for Equal Pay and Fairness at Goodyear and Beyond, and this podcast interview is about her landmark Supreme Court case, the 2009 Fair Pay Act, her experiences with President Obama, and her thoughts on the current occupant of the Oval Office.