In this episode of Into The Madverse, Mark Venables speaks with Daniel Meyer, Chief Technology Officer at Camunda, about why AI in regulated industries fails at scale when enterprises cannot prove what the system did, why it did it, and who stayed accountable. They unpack agentic orchestration as the pragmatic route to autonomy, blending deterministic controls with dynamic AI, keeping humans in the loop, and turning “start small” into something that can survive compliance, audit, and legacy complexity.