This conversation between Rosie Sherry, founder of Ministry of Testing, and Chris Miles, Head of Platform Engineering at Legal & General, explores the evolving landscape of quality engineering. With over 25 years in the field, Chris shares how a "testing mindset" serves as a foundation for leadership and why the future of quality lies in communication, language, and the democratization of technical skills through AI.

What happens when you stop seeing software testing as a "quality gate" and start seeing it as a creative loop? In this episode of Into the MoTaverse, we sit down with Luke Lattimer-Rogers, a seasoned quality lead with over 14 years of experience across fashion, gaming, and even prison software.

Luke challenges the traditional delineation between science and art, arguing that coding and QA are fundamentally creative acts of problem-solving.

We dive deep into:

• The automation treadmill: Why focusing solely on automation can zap the creativity and exploratory joy out of a role.
• Quality voyeurism: How "sitting back" can actually lead to better insights.
• Quality through happiness: Why the best products start with happy creators and ethical HR policies, not just bug reports.
• AI as an "Electric Drill": Using AI as a tool to empower our "second brains" rather than replacing our human intuition.

In this episode of Into the MoTaverse, host Rosie Sherry is joined by Simon Tomes to pull back the curtain on the evolution of the Ministry of Testing, aka The MoTaverse.

They dive into the idea of Community as a Service (CaaS) and how it becomes so much more powerful to offer many different opportunities for their people under the banner of CaaS. Community is everywhere, everything is intertwined, being able to build and offer events, learning, and opportunities under one banner passes the “Aaah Test”.

"I can't believe it hasn't even been a year!"

What has felt like years of knowing Eamon, in reality it has been less than a year. This partly shows the power of the people, but also what is possible in community. We're launching our new podcast Into the MoTaverse, hosted by Rosie Sherry and our first guest had to be Eamon Droko.

As we were chatting, and as I was scrolling through his MoT Profile I couldn't believe it was less than a year since he dived into and embraced MoT, and of course we embraced him back. From attending meetups, to finding a new role after a 2 year struggle, to doing 99 second talks and attending MoTaCon.

It's been amazing to get to know Eamon and to continue to grow together. Come and listen to our conversation. We explore his journey, diversity and bias, job hunting, creativity (and Bug Rug!), and building confidence through community.