It seems we’ve switched roles! Paul Jarvis, normally the focused one who takes on less, has started working on a few new (awesome) software projects. Jason Zook, on the other hand, is trying to pair all his projects down into one singular offering. Tune in to this episode for our business update!

Jason and Paul have never really had mentors or hugely influential figures in their lives. In fact, they both tend to run the opposite way when people of authority try to offer advice. But they have to admire other creators and biz owners, right? Find out if Paul and Jason are completely egotistical jerks, or if they have some stories to share.