Why you have to check out today’s podcast: 

• Understand the behavioral economics of consumers in order to overcome barriers to their buying decisions 
• How to overcome barriers of apathy, anxiety, and paralysis to get more people on board and encourage retention 
• How to structure your offer in a way that it will be easy for customers to make buying decisions 

 

Bri Williams is the Behavioral Explainer, Managing Director and Behavioural Specialist of People Patterns Pty Ltd. She works with clients to maximize each and every interaction using behavioral economics. That might include your proposals and presentations, letters and emails, websites and apps, product and brand development, sales and customer service scripts, stakeholder meetings and staff performance. 

 

In this episode, Bri talks about the importance of behavioral economics in influencing people’s decision-making to buy.  

 

“You cannot ‘not’ influence people. Anything you do in any direction, you are influencing people.”  

- Bri Williams 

 

 

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Topics Covered: 

 

01:07 - Bri's response to  Mark’s Blog titled says, ’Why Behavioral Economics Doesn't Work with Subscriptions.’ 

 

02:31 - Behavioral techniques companies used for retention or expansion 

 

04:21 - Why she calls herself a behavioral explainer 

 

06:21 - The dichotomy of rational and irrational decision-making 

 

09:19 - Three barriers businesses need to think through and overcome to onboard and retain customers  

 

12:49 - Apathy as being the status quo 

 

15:05 - Decision paralysis as a speech paradox of choice 

 

17:06 - Anxiety being the third barrier to getting people to buy and the proven ways to overcome it 

 

21:13 - Is behavioral economics a manipulation game? Is it good or bad? 

 

25:11 - What's the idea behind behavioral economics 

 

Key Takeaways: 

 

“I agree the good, better, best is a really appropriate sort of structure to work on the cues. Like this is the bestseller or this is what most other people buy. The use of social proofing and social norms to perhaps suggest to people what the preferred option should be. When in doubt, people tend to do what other people do. So signal that to them.” - Bri Williams  

 

“And this is what happens throughout our decision-making. We're playing tennis all the time. When there's nothing at stake to lose, we're going to be more aggressive. We're going to be more open to risk. But as soon as those stakes have changed, then we're going to withdraw a little. So as a business, we want people to feel very confident that if they take the desired action, it's going to be okay.” - Bri Williams  

 

“We're endeavoring any way to try and get people to do things. Unfortunately, people's lack of understanding of behavioral science or behavioral economics means that they're doing it based on this assumption that people do make decisions rationally when in fact we don't.” - Bri Williams  

 

“Always think of price in context. So oftentimes we think of price as a number when in actual fact the person receiving that price, it's going to be receiving it in a whole range of contexts. And so it's your opportunity and in fact, your responsibility as a business to set that context.” - Bri Williams  

 

• People / Resources Mentioned: 
• Daniel Kahneman 
• Thinking, Fast and Slow by Daniel Kahneman 
• Behavioral Economics for Business by Bri Williams 
• The Little Book of Pricing and Payment by Bri Williams 

 

Connect With Bri Williams: 

• BriWilliams.com.au 
• LinkedIn 

 

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