In this episode of Talentless, we’re joined by Victoria Gates and Lorna Erickson; co-founders of Expert Interviewers and hosts of the Don’t Tell Me About Yourself podcast to unpack a truth many companies don’t want to hear:

Interviewing isn’t broken because of AI… it was already broken. AI is just exposing it.

From gut-based hiring decisions to untrained interviewers and wildly inconsistent processes, we dig into what’s actually going wrong and what it takes to fix it.

We cover:

Why most interviews are just opinion collection, not evidence collection

How AI is forcing companies to confront nonexplainable hiring decisions

The dangerous reliance on “gut feeling” (and why it feels so good but fails so often)

The difference between “can they do the job?” vs. “do they actually want the job?”

Why hiring managers are often the weakest link in the process

The real cost of a bad hire (spoiler: it’s way more than salary)

How to identify where your interview process is breaking using data

Plus:Ashley breaks down how to diagnose a broken hiring funnel using pass-through rates, and introduces one of the most underrated concepts in hiring: assessing the assessor.

AI isn’t breaking hiring it’s exposing bad processes

Most companies still don’t train interviewers (and it shows)

Gut feeling ≠ valid hiring criteria

Transparency with candidates is now non-negotiable

Interviewing is a leadership skill not an assumption

If your process isn’t explainable, it’s not defensible

Victoria GatesHas hired 1,500+ people and specializes in helping leaders refine interviewing and better respect candidate time.

Lorna EricksonSpent nearly 20 years studying what actually works in interviewing, with 5,000+ interviews analyzed and global training experience.

Together, they founded Expert Interviewers to bring structure, consistency, and sanity back to hiring.

Key Takeaways About Our Guests Website: https://expertinterviewers.com Podcast: Don’t Tell Me About Yourself Social: @expertinterviewers