ISACA’s Jon Brandt welcomes him to the ISACA podcast to have a conversation that challenges the status quo: Does the Cyber Security Industry work? After decades of experience in the security industry, Richard asks, “have I affected any change?” Richard points out that if we buy a toaster at the store and it doesn’t work, we return it, but as security professionals, we don’t hold products to the same standards. Why is this? Jon and Richard go back and forth on FUD, vendors, false positives, and where accountability lies in the industry.