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Ismail Ali: Ecosystems Of Change
Hope y'all are ready to take the drug policy conversation to the next level!
In Episode 2, we are joined by Ismail Ali, an esteemed colleague who is best known for serving as legal counsel at the Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies (MAPS). For over a decade, Ismail has been involved with efforts around drug policy reform, ending mass incarceration, and creating conditions for social and cultural transformation. It was a delight to dive into this dialogue and remember the glimmers of what we're all working toward together.
About Ismail: As MAPS' Acting Director of Policy and Advocacy, Ismail advocates to eliminate barriers to psychedelic therapy and research,
Links mentioned in our conversation:
MAPS (Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies)
Update on California's SB519
What’s in this episode:
How Fruiting Bodies and Ismail met (haha!) (4:25)
Ismail’s bio and background (6:15)
Seeing through the American Dream mythology (7:25)
Pursuing law as a facet of social and cultural change (8:20)
Building MAPS policy and advocacy department (9:50)
Emergent space in psychedelics (11:55)
History of MAPS & current efforts (12:38)
Self-sustaining, MDMA-powered drug policy engine (15:09)
What would a legal post-prohibition environment look like? (15:50)
Measure 109 - State level policy change on the rise (16:35)
Public education and harm reduction (18:00)
The current system is not working (20:07)
Nuance of the highly regulated healthcare system (20:50)
What binds us together? (21:45)
Thinking big picture, multi-generational (22:40)
Drug policy in an existential expansion (23:20)
“Shared imagination of what is possible” (24:30)
“Working within or without the superstructure, the status quo” (26:22)
Idealism (27:30)
“A battle of the imagination” (28:15)
Mental health in mainstream conversation (29:05)
Activism and Incrementalism (30:11)
“Revolution is not just theory, it’s also infrastructure” (31:55)
What’s happening in California - SB519 (34:20)
Dreamy dream (41:50)
Celebration without reservation (42:30)
Huge thank you to the forever inspiring Ismail Ali for joining us. What a gift. Follow him on Instagram at @sage_izzy.
And special thank you to the people behind the scenes who help make the Fruiting Bodies podcast possible. Be sure to send them some love!
· Podcast Editor, Sydney Bogan
· Studio space, Mariah Makalapua & Medicine Collective
· Equipment & support, Joe Izzo from Conscious Cloud Podcast
· Our awesome volunteer team: Yicela Alvarado, SunMee Sandusky, and Allison Holmes
· Our sponsors, Dr. Bronner’s, Mimosa Therapeutics, and Psychedelics Today
· All of our incredible supporters, collaborators, and listeners
Stay connected by following us on Instagram @fruitingbodiesco. Visit our website to find past show notes, become a monthly supporter and join our email list.
Thank you for supporting our shared mission!
-Elan & Rebecca
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Hope y'all are ready to take the drug policy conversation to the next level!
In Episode 2, we are joined by Ismail Ali, an esteemed colleague who is best known for serving as legal counsel at the Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies (MAPS). For over a decade, Ismail has been involved with efforts around drug policy reform, ending mass incarceration, and creating conditions for social and cultural transformation. It was a delight to dive into this dialogue and remember the glimmers of what we're all working toward together.
About Ismail: As MAPS' Acting Director of Policy and Advocacy, Ismail advocates to eliminate barriers to psychedelic therapy and research,
Links mentioned in our conversation:
MAPS (Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies)
Update on California's SB519
What’s in this episode:
How Fruiting Bodies and Ismail met (haha!) (4:25)
Ismail’s bio and background (6:15)
Seeing through the American Dream mythology (7:25)
Pursuing law as a facet of social and cultural change (8:20)
Building MAPS policy and advocacy department (9:50)
Emergent space in psychedelics (11:55)
History of MAPS & current efforts (12:38)
Self-sustaining, MDMA-powered drug policy engine (15:09)
What would a legal post-prohibition environment look like? (15:50)
Measure 109 - State level policy change on the rise (16:35)
Public education and harm reduction (18:00)
The current system is not working (20:07)
Nuance of the highly regulated healthcare system (20:50)
What binds us together? (21:45)
Thinking big picture, multi-generational (22:40)
Drug policy in an existential expansion (23:20)
“Shared imagination of what is possible” (24:30)
“Working within or without the superstructure, the status quo” (26:22)
Idealism (27:30)
“A battle of the imagination” (28:15)
Mental health in mainstream conversation (29:05)
Activism and Incrementalism (30:11)
“Revolution is not just theory, it’s also infrastructure” (31:55)
What’s happening in California - SB519 (34:20)
Dreamy dream (41:50)
Celebration without reservation (42:30)
Huge thank you to the forever inspiring Ismail Ali for joining us. What a gift. Follow him on Instagram at @sage_izzy.
And special thank you to the people behind the scenes who help make the Fruiting Bodies podcast possible. Be sure to send them some love!
· Podcast Editor, Sydney Bogan
· Studio space, Mariah Makalapua & Medicine Collective
· Equipment & support, Joe Izzo from Conscious Cloud Podcast
· Our awesome volunteer team: Yicela Alvarado, SunMee Sandusky, and Allison Holmes
· Our sponsors, Dr. Bronner’s, Mimosa Therapeutics, and Psychedelics Today
· All of our incredible supporters, collaborators, and listeners
Stay connected by following us on Instagram @fruitingbodiesco. Visit our website to find past show notes, become a monthly supporter and join our email list.
Thank you for supporting our shared mission!
-Elan & Rebecca