In episode 6 we are joined by our dear sister-friend, Mariah Makalapua of Medicine Collective. Mariah is the creator of Medicine Collective, a medicine woman, a mother, an artist, a healer, a gardener and a community builder. In this episode she shares with us about Indigenous wisdom and ways of life and dives deep into the beautiful and essential practice of decolonization with us. Thank you, Pua, for your brilliance and wisdom! Much love!

Links mentioned:

Instagram: @medicine.collective

Website: medicinecollective.com

What’s in the episode:

Mariah’s background (3:22)

Feeling called to hold space for people in your community (6:00)

Decolonizing myself (11:45)

Having an interest in vs. feeling called to something (14:45)

Heritage, lineage, and Indigenous Wisdom (19:15)

The importance of honoring traditions (23:15)

The lack of Indigenous Elders in the legalized space (24:40)

Find the beauty in your own lineage (30:00)

Being in service to the relationship you have with yourself (31:30)

Safety (34:30)

The confusion of trying to organize this fluid work into such a rigid construct (39:00)

The fear of what could happen (42:00)

The hope of what could happen (42:50)

Collective healing and liberation (44:00)

What’s happening with Medicine Collective? (46:00)

The absurd cost of land (49:17)

Detachment from nature (52:05)

Dreamy Dream (54:20)

What does healing mean to you? (59:54)

· Podcast Editor, Sydney Bogan

· Studio space, Mariah Makalapua & Medicine Collective

· Equipment & support, Joe Izzo from Conscious Cloud Podcast

· Our awesome volunteer team: Yicela Alvarado, SunMee Sandusky, and Allison Holmes

· Our sponsors, Dr. Bronner’s, Mimosa Therapeutics, and Psychedelics Today

· All of our incredible supporters, collaborators, and listeners

Stay connected by following us on Instagram @fruitingbodiesco. Visit our website to find past show notes, become a supporter, and join our email list.

Thank you for supporting our shared mission!

-Elan & Becca

In episode 5 we are joined by our good friend AJ McCreary, of the Equitable Giving Circle.

AJ is the co-founder and Executive Director of the Equitable Giving Circle, a Black woman and Black femme led organization that is creating real economic impact by sharing food, housing, and wellness with the community.

Links mentioned in our conversation:

Instagram: @EquitableGivingCircle 

What’s in this episode:

AJ’s background (3:52)

I don’t like to rest (8:55)

Fun is not for me (10:30)

The start of Equitable Giving Circle (12:30)

It’s not that complicated (17:37)

USDA food boxes (18:20)

Improving the health and wellness of the community (19:37)

Delivering value to people’s doorsteps (22:00)

Inspiring others to serve better (23:30)

Our team genuinely cares (25:40)

Collecting the data (27:55)

A recent major accomplishment (28:55)

The disconnect from philanthropy to the general public (33:10)

Assumptions of non-profit vs for-profit (36:25)

Scarcity model (38:20)

Finding creative funding avenues (40:15)

Portland’s uniqueness (43:55)

We’ve got a racism problem here (46:55)

A pathway to liberation for Black folks (49:06)

AJ’s future plans (50:00)

A message to white people (51:38)

Dreamy Dream (54:08)

What does healing mean to you (56:13)

And special thank you to the people behind the scenes who help make the Fruiting Bodies podcast possible. Be sure to send them some love!

· Podcast Editor, Sydney Bogan

· Studio space, Mariah Makalapua & Medicine Collective

· Equipment & support, Joe Izzo from Conscious Cloud Podcast

· Our awesome volunteer team: Yicela Alvarado, SunMee Sandusky, and Allison Holmes

· Our sponsors, Dr. Bronner’s, Mimosa Therapeutics, and Psychedelics Today

· All of our incredible supporters, collaborators, and listeners

Stay connected by following us on Instagram @fruitingbodiesco. Visit our website to find past show notes, become a supporter, and join our email list.

Thank you for supporting our shared mission!

-Elan & Becca

Season 2 is bringing so much wisdom and useful information! 

In episode 4 we are joined by Dr. Angela Carter, our dear friend and trusted mentor.

Dr. Angela Carter (they/them) is a white, transgender, genderqueer, queer, neuroqueer, disabled, dirt worshiping naturopathic physician living in Portland, Or. They manage Oregon’s measure 110 substance use decriminalization and recovery program. They are also the Oregon Psilocybin Advisory Board vice chair and co-chair of the Equity and Training subcommittees. Angela is deeply committed to health equity and justice work, and ensuring that trauma informed care and racial and social justice are imbued into the fabric of our culture and government. They enjoy the company of cats, crocheting, and getting lost in the woods looking for mushrooms.

Links mentioned in our conversation:

Contact Angie: [email protected]

What’s in this episode:

Angie’s background (3:29)

Beginning Naturopathic Medicine (4:22)

Queer Activism (5:30)

Burner Community Work (8:30)

Sitting with folks experiencing psychedelic journeys (8:55)

Fireside Project and Oregon Psilocybin Program (9:45)

Unified vision (12:00)

Working from a de-colonized perspective (13:55)

The limitations of a western medicine mindset (15:40)

We should be asking the community (19:18)

Building trust to encourage community engagement (21:04)

Listening sessions (24:10)

Accessibility to information for marginalized communities (26:40)

Following through on lip-service (30:04)

The lack of trust from folks in the underground (32:01)

The spectrum of people on the board (33:00)

The intersections between measure 109 and 110 (36:10)

“Harm reduction” - “Benefit Maximization” (38:12)

Provide a structure for people to relate to themselves (39:55)

Learning how to get out of the way (41:55)

Importance of the inner work (43:00)

Assessment for facilitators without shared experience (43:30)

No fast-track for personal decolonization (44:35)

Implement a restorative justice process and continuing education (50:30)

Dreamy dream (52:40)

What does healing mean to you? (55:37)

Huge thank you to the forever inspiring Angie Carter for joining us. What a gift. Follow them on Instagram at @clitocybe_nuda.

And special thank you to the people behind the scenes who help make the Fruiting Bodies podcast possible. Be sure to send them some love!

·  Podcast Editor, Sydney Bogan

·  Studio space, Mariah Makalapua & Medicine Collective

·  Equipment & support, Joe Izzo from Conscious Cloud Podcast

·  Our awesome volunteer team: Yicela Alvarado, SunMee Sandusky, and Allison Holmes

·  Our sponsors, Dr. Bronner’s, Mimosa Therapeutics, and Psychedelics Today

·  All of our incredible supporters, collaborators, and listeners

Stay connected by following us on Instagram @fruitingbodiesco. Visit our website to find past show notes, become a supporter, and join our email list.

Thank you for supporting our shared mission!

-Elan & Becca

In episode 3 we are joined by Courtney Watson. Courtney is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist and Certified Sex Therapist. She is the owner of Doorway Therapeutic Services, a group therapy practice in Oakland, California focused on addressing the mental health needs of Black, Indigenous, People of Color, Queer Folks, Trans, Gender Non-conforming, Non-binary and Two Spirit individuals. Courtney has followed the direction of her ancestors to incorporate psychedelic assisted therapy into her offerings for folks with multiple marginalized identities and stresses the importance of BI&Poc and Queer providers offering these services. She is currently blazing the trail as one. of the only predominantly QTBIPOC providers offering Ketamine Assisted Therapy in 2021. She has also founded a non-profit, Access to Doorways, to raise funds to subsidize the cost of ketamine/psychedelic assisted therapies for QTBIPOC clients.

Links mentioned in our conversation:

Support Doorways Non-profit

What’s in this episode:

Courtney’s background (2:55)

“Professionalism” (4:30)

Becoming a therapist (6:20)

Scholar of human sexuality (7:00)

Shortcomings in the world of psychedelics (9:40)

Meeting folks part way to educate (12:20)

Being in right relationship (13:18)

How can you talk about altered states of consciousness and not talk about spirit? (14:30)

Earth erasure in this field (16:00)

Co-creation with people from marginalized communities (20:05)

Ketamine as medicine (21:45)

The ketamine spirit is perfect for therapy (24:36)

These synthetic molecules have intelligence (27:00)

Equity of sourcing and profiting (28:00)

The genius of the plant world (31:08)

Finding a therapist who relates to your lived experience (33:25)

Information to help move in the right direction (35:30)

Integrity in the medicine space (37:47)

The term “Holding Space” (38:39)

Going back and retrieving the wisdom of things that were pushed into the shadows (41:00)

“The old woman at the end of the village” (43:30)

Dreamy dream (45:45)

What does healing mean to you? (50:00)

The importance of elders (53:20)

Huge thank you to the forever inspiring Courtney Watson for joining us. What a gift. Follow her on Instagram at @doorwaytherapeutics.

And special thank you to the people behind the scenes who help make the Fruiting Bodies podcast possible. Be sure to send them some love!

·  Podcast Editor, Sydney Bogan

·  Studio space, Mariah Makalapua & Medicine Collective

·  Equipment & support, Joe Izzo from Conscious Cloud Podcast

·  Our awesome volunteer team: Yicela Alvarado, SunMee Sandusky, and Allison Holmes

·  Our sponsors, Dr. Bronner’s, Mimosa Therapeutics, and Psychedelics Today

·  All of our incredible supporters, collaborators, and listeners

Stay connected by following us on Instagram @fruitingbodiesco. Visit our website to find past show notes, become a monthly supporter and join our email list.

Thank you for supporting our shared mission!

-Elan & Becca

Hope y'all are ready to take the drug policy conversation to the next level!

About Ismail: As MAPS' Acting Director of Policy and Advocacy, Ismail advocates to eliminate barriers to psychedelic therapy and research,

Links mentioned in our conversation:

MAPS (Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies)

Update on California's SB519

What’s in this episode:

How Fruiting Bodies and Ismail met (haha!) (4:25)

Ismail’s bio and background (6:15)

Seeing through the American Dream mythology (7:25)

Pursuing law as a facet of social and cultural change (8:20)

Building MAPS policy and advocacy department (9:50)

Emergent space in psychedelics (11:55)

History of MAPS & current efforts (12:38)

Self-sustaining, MDMA-powered drug policy engine (15:09)

What would a legal post-prohibition environment look like? (15:50)

Measure 109 - State level policy change on the rise (16:35)

Public education and harm reduction (18:00)

The current system is not working (20:07)

Nuance of the highly regulated healthcare system (20:50)

What binds us together? (21:45)

Thinking big picture, multi-generational (22:40)

Drug policy in an existential expansion (23:20)

“Shared imagination of what is possible” (24:30)

“Working within or without the superstructure, the status quo” (26:22)

Idealism (27:30)

“A battle of the imagination” (28:15)

Mental health in mainstream conversation (29:05)

Activism and Incrementalism (30:11)

“Revolution is not just theory, it’s also infrastructure” (31:55)

What’s happening in California - SB519 (34:20)

Dreamy dream (41:50)

Celebration without reservation (42:30)

Huge thank you to the forever inspiring Ismail Ali for joining us. What a gift. Follow him on Instagram at @sage_izzy.

And special thank you to the people behind the scenes who help make the Fruiting Bodies podcast possible. Be sure to send them some love!

·  Podcast Editor, Sydney Bogan

·  Studio space, Mariah Makalapua & Medicine Collective

·  Equipment & support, Joe Izzo from Conscious Cloud Podcast

·  Our awesome volunteer team: Yicela Alvarado, SunMee Sandusky, and Allison Holmes

·  Our sponsors, Dr. Bronner’s, Mimosa Therapeutics, and Psychedelics Today

·  All of our incredible supporters, collaborators, and listeners

Stay connected by following us on Instagram @fruitingbodiesco. Visit our website to find past show notes, become a monthly supporter and join our email list.

Thank you for supporting our shared mission!

-Elan & Rebecca

We’re BAAAACK! :) Season 2 of Fruiting Bodies Podcast is here! This is the first interview of the season.

In Episode 1, we are joined by Micah Stover, a mother, trauma midwife, psychedelic guide, and integration specialist. Micah’s path has taken her from rural Tennessee to Portland’s psychedelic underground, to the beautiful land of Mexico. Join us for this vulnerable, bold and juicy conversation. In this episode we discuss intergenerational trauma, somatics, feeling it to heal it, parenthood, rebirthing ourselves through psilocybin medicine, and much more.

Links mentioned in our conversation:

Micah Stover Consulting

Brené Brown

What’s in this episode:

Micah’s origin story (2:56)

Being raised in the evangelical church (3:26)

Landing here, origin of coaching practice (4:55)

How she found her way to medicine work (5:56)

Lineage of paternal trauma (7:00)

How she came to mushrooms as medicine (8:42)

Turning point (10:35)

Psilocybin curiosity (11:11)

“I need those mushrooms” after becoming a mother (12:23)

Watching what is developing in Portland (13:13)

Experience of overcoming stigma of intersecting identities (15:00)

“Community is like a daily practice” (17:46)

Thoughts on global digital community (18:40)

Accessibility of work during pandemic (19:10)

Intergenerational Trauma (21:35)

“You have to feel it to heal it” (24:25)

“It’s a different perspective when you don’t take it personally” (25:00)

Embracing duality (28:04)

Somatic experience of psilocybin work (29:41)

Childbirth - pleasure and pain (34:35)

Watching her children exist freely (38:03)

Thoughts on effectiveness of psilocybin therapy (40:46)

Integration and life preparation with clients (43:24)

“Where you work out your healing is in the mundane moments” (48:37)

Discussion of Micah’s book (49:38)

Intergenerational themes and opportunities (53:50)

Midwife - rebirth through psilocybin therapy process (55:05)

Lineage story from book (55:45)

Dreamy Dream (58:15)

Eudaimonia- happiness plus purpose (59:22)

What does healing mean to you? (1:00:59)

Thoughts to leave us with (1:02:48)

Huge thank you to the incredible, unforgettable Micah Stover for joining us. Follow her on Instagram at @micahsugarfoot.

And special thank you to the people behind the scenes who help make the Fruiting Bodies podcast possible. Be sure to send them some love!

Stay connected by following us on Instagram @fruitingbodiesco. Visit our website to find past show notes, become a monthly supporter and join our email list.

Thank you for supporting our shared mission!

-Elan & Becca

Wow, Season 1 of the Fruiting Bodies Podcast is winding down!!

Join us as we dive into an eye opening discussion that is essential for all of us, regardless of color, creed, or identity. In this episode we discuss healing the wounds of white supremacy, how to talk to people about racism, the historical facts that are missing from many conversations about race, growing up within religion, and much more. 

We are so excited to share this episode with you all. This is an important episode full of insights for listeners who want to better understand the Black experience or who have gone through major shifts on their spiritual paths. It left us wanting to quote the whole episode!

Links mentioned in our conversation: 

Website: Emmanuelwilliams.co

Email: [email protected]

Instagram: @emmanuelsince85

Podcast: Sox and Sandals Podcast (found in all listening apps)

Donations: Cashapp $emmanuelwilliams85

What's in this episode:

Emmanuel’s origin story (2:17)

What it was like leaving Portland and moving back (3:44)

The desire to make a difference (4:54)

How he turned his podcast into a business (6:44)

Know your enemy (8:18)

Who Emmanuel serves (10:32)

How to talk to people about racism (14:35)

History repeats itself (21:40)

Dismantling racism is a lifelong effort (23:33)

What to do if people don’t want to talk about race (24:57)

Learning more about yourself while podcasting (25:13)

Spirituality of psychedelics (28:10)

Life in the church, unlearning and relearning spiritual heritage (32:23)

Researching Christianity and what he found (37:06)

Emmanuel’s journey learning about being a Hebrew Israelite (38:27)

What it was like learning about religion (41:31)

Church: the only safe space for us (44:47)

We need mutual respect and care in relationships (49:46)

The journey to overcoming racism (50:00)

Closing thoughts (1:00:00)

What is your dreamy dream? (1:03:00)

What is healing to you? (1:06:00)

Where to find Emmanuel (1:08:00)

Huge thank you to the incredible, unforgettable Emmanuel Williams for joining us. Follow him on Instagram at @emmanuelsince85

And special thank you to the people behind the scenes who help make the Fruiting Bodies podcast possible. Be sure to send them some love! 

Podcast Manager, Sydney Bogan

Studio space, Mariah Makalapua & Medicine Collective

Equipment & support, Joe Izzo from Conscious Cloud Podcast

All of our incredible volunteers, collaborators, and listeners

Stay connected by following us on Instagram @fruitingbodiesco. Visit our website to find past show notes, join the conversation, contribute to our fundraiser, join our email list and download free guides to microdosing and psilocybin therapy.

Thank you for supporting our shared mission!

-Elan & Becca

In Episode 9, we are joined by the brilliant and lovely Buki Fadipe, who is a dear friend, artistic creator and educator who has been an influential colleague to us at Fruiting Bodies Collective. 

Join us as we dive into an informative discussion that is essential to psychedelic healing: being a Black leader in the psychedelic community, healing trauma, the significance of ancestry, the need for better representation in the field, and much more.

We loved this discussion and are so excited to share it with you all. We know Buki will be an important voice in this movement for years to come. This is a very important and inspiring episode for listeners who are interested in healing their trauma or who are thinking about being a leader in the psychedelic community.

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@adventures.in.om

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What's in this episode:

Buki’s origin story (1:51)

Buki’s mental health journey and getting into psychedelics (7:52)

Building relationship with mushrooms? (16:06)

The effects of trauma & Elan’s experience with Salvia (19:00)

Some of the different layers of healing (21:29)

Buki’s Ancestral Healing journey and what it means to her (22:55)

How Buki became a healer (26:54)

Buki’s role in Adventures In OM & where she hopes to take it (29:27)

The perception & laws of psychedelics in London, England (33:36)

Buki coming out as a psychedelic user (36:28)

Disclaimer: Don’t ask educators for psilocybin mushrooms! (38:13)

The Importance of Black leaders in the psychedelic community (40:48)

Rant: Imposter Syndrome & Include more Black people in trials (47:32)

Our thoughts on money grabbing leaders (54:39)

Big companies vs smaller businesses in the psychedelic community (58:52)

Thoughts on the future of psychedelics (1:00:39)

Should we be suspicious? (1:02:18)

What does healing mean to you? (1:03:58)

What is your dreamy dream? (01:05:30)

Collaborating together (1:08:08)

Closing words & loving up on one another (1:10:26)

Huge thank you to the incredible, unforgettable Buki Fadipe for joining us. Follow her on Instagram at @adventures.in.om

And special thank you to the people behind the scenes who help make the Fruiting Bodies podcast possible. Be sure to send them some love!

Podcast Manager, Sydney Bogan

Studio space, Mariah Makalapua & Medicine Collective

Equipment & support, Joe Izzo from Conscious Cloud Podcast

All of our incredible volunteers, collaborators, and listeners

Stay connected by following us on Instagram @fruitingbodiesco. Visit our website to find past show notes, join the conversation, contribute to our fundraiser, join our email list and download free guides to microdosing and psilocybin therapy.

Thank you for supporting our shared mission!

-Elan & Becca

In Episode 8, We are joined by our dear friend and colleague Evan Segura. Evan is a community organizer, amateur mycologist, traveler, and basically a mushroom on two legs. This was the first interview we ever recorded and it was such a delight to start our podcast life with a dialogue that embodies our values. Mentorship, community, accountability, humor, and learning as an avenue toward healing.

Mentioned in this episode (Visit our blog for live links):

Plant Parenthood & Rebecca Kronman

Drug Use For Grown-Ups by Dr. Carl Hart 

Carolyn Fine & Psychedelic Equity Project (Love y'all!)

Saffron & Psilocybin for ADHD

The Ancestor Project Mutual Ceremony Fund

Calling In vs. Calling Out

Students for Sensible Drug Policy

What's in this episode:

Leading while young (3:00)

Occupation is not identity (3:30)

What this movement needs (5:30)

The unsung helpers & healers (6:05)

Evan's roots in psychedelia from age 13 on (7:00)

Believing the Earth when we can't believe in people (8:00)

How mushrooms helped Evan feel better (10:00)

Why introductory education about psychedelics is an access issue (11:00)

Evan’s travels, how he serendipitously ended up in Portland at 18 (13:30)

Evan’s beloved mentor, the late Matt O’Brien (17:00)

Leading at Portland Psychedelic Society (20:00)

Sporulating all over the world (23:30)

What has surprised Evan most about the space (24:15)

How important anti-oppression work is in leadership within psychedelics (26:00)

The more profitable a company is, the more we expect in equity work and reparations. Time to step up.  (28:00)

Religious experiences and psychedelics (30:00)

Saffron & psilocybin microdosing for ADHD (32:00)

It’s on white leaders to ensure diversity in leadership (& why this is so important) (34:30)

Healthy peer pressure & accountability (36:00)

Respect, not tokenization (36:30)

White allies helping white allies (39:00)

Language for calling in vs calling out (40:00)

Destigmatizing all drug use, psychedelic exceptionalism & privilege (44:00)

Carl Hart’s book, Drug Use For Grown-Ups (45:30)

Evan’s dreamy dream (47:00)

Developing less land & using what is already here (49:30)

What healing means to Evan: rest and lifelong learning (51:00)

Having friends older than you with lived experiences (55:00)

Huge thank you to the wonderful, brilliant Evan Segura. Follow Evan on Instagram at @evanisamushroom and check out the Portland Psychedelic Society at their website or Instagram at @portlandpsychedelic.

And special thank you to the people behind the scenes who help make the Fruiting Bodies podcast possible. Go send them some love!

Podcast Manager, Sydney Bogan @namaste.productions

Studio space, Mariah Makalapua  at @Medicine.Collective

Equipment & support, Joe Izzo from Conscious Cloud Podcast

All of our incredible volunteers, collaborators, and listeners, like you!

Stay connected by following us on Instagram @fruitingbodiesco. Visit our website to find past show notes, join the conversation, contribute to our fundraiser, join our email list and download free guides to microdosing and psilocybin therapy.

Thank you for supporting our shared mission!

-Elan & Becca

In Episode 7, We are joined by two dear friends and collaborators situated across the pond. Tian Daphne (a new mother-- bless, bless!) and Jess Lagarde are the co-founders of Women on Psychedelics, also known as WOOP. Women on Psychedelics is a global online platform dedicated to destigmatizing women’s mental health and psychedelic healing. Tian is originally from Singapore and Jess is from Brazil. The two met on a medicinal mushroom farm in Amsterdam, where they both now reside.

Join us as we dive into a heartfelt and important discussion about leadership, accountability, preventing harm, education, diversity, integration and much more. You may laugh with us and tear up with us. You have been warned.

Check out the North Star, which Jess mentions, a non-profit organization offering an Ethics Pledge for leaders and professionals within psychedelics. 

What's in this episode:

Jess’ Introduction (2:29)

Tian’s Introduction & life in Singapore, which is notoriously hard on drugs (3:30)

Coming out as a drug user (5:11)

How Tian and Jess met (7:02)

Jess’ first psychedelic experience and what she learned (8:13)

Diversifying the psychedelic community (9:15)

Impact since starting WOOP (11:15)

Leading from within (12:05)

Encouraging diversity in psychedelics (14:22)

Where do you see WOOP going, Jess? (15:29)

Mom Brain (giggle fest) (16:51)

Where do you see WOOP going, Tian? (18:16)

Outcomes of education (20:46)

Why it’s important to have dedicated spaces for women to experience psychedelics (21:03)

Accountability is important, but how can we prevent harm from occurring? (26:13)

Systemic inequality with drug enforcement (31:58)

Connecting with community (32:45)

Holding shamans accountable for harm (38:15)

Psychedelics won’t cure us. We have to do the work ourselves (41:55)

Aunt Elan’s life lesson: Be intentional, it will change your life (43:19)

Reflections on WOOP’s rapid rise into the spotlight (46:25)

Our thoughts on Seaspiracy (51:12)

Current and future collaborations (55:15)

Closing questions: 

Tian, what is your dreamy dream? (55:53)

Jess, what is your dreamy dream? (57:30)

What does healing mean to you, Jess? (1:00:49)

What does healing mean to you, Tian? (1:02:11)

Closing thoughts (1:03:26)

Huge thank you to the wonderful Tian and Jess for joining us. Follow them on Instagram at @womenonpsychedelics or visit their website at womenonpsychedelics.org

And special thank you to the people behind the scenes who help make the Fruiting Bodies podcast possible. Go send them some love!

Podcast Manager, Sydney Bogan

Studio space, Mariah Makalapua & Medicine Collective

Equipment & support, Joe Izzo from Conscious Cloud Podcast

All of our incredible volunteers, collaborators, and listeners, like you!

Stay connected by following us on Instagram @fruitingbodiesco. Visit our website to find past show notes, join the conversation, contribute to our fundraiser, join our email list and download free guides to microdosing and psilocybin therapy.

Thank you for supporting our shared mission!

-Elan & Becca