In Episode 7, We are joined by two dear friends and collaborators situated across the pond. Tian Daphne (a new mother-- bless, bless!) and Jess Lagarde are the co-founders of Women on Psychedelics, also known as WOOP. Women on Psychedelics is a global online platform dedicated to destigmatizing women’s mental health and psychedelic healing. Tian is originally from Singapore and Jess is from Brazil. The two met on a medicinal mushroom farm in Amsterdam, where they both now reside.

Join us as we dive into a heartfelt and important discussion about leadership, accountability, preventing harm, education, diversity, integration and much more. You may laugh with us and tear up with us. You have been warned.

Check out the North Star, which Jess mentions, a non-profit organization offering an Ethics Pledge for leaders and professionals within psychedelics. 

What's in this episode:

Jess’ Introduction (2:29)

Tian’s Introduction & life in Singapore, which is notoriously hard on drugs (3:30)

Coming out as a drug user (5:11)

How Tian and Jess met (7:02)

Jess’ first psychedelic experience and what she learned (8:13)

Diversifying the psychedelic community (9:15)

Impact since starting WOOP (11:15)

Leading from within (12:05)

Encouraging diversity in psychedelics (14:22)

Where do you see WOOP going, Jess? (15:29)

Mom Brain (giggle fest) (16:51)

Where do you see WOOP going, Tian? (18:16)

Outcomes of education (20:46)

Why it’s important to have dedicated spaces for women to experience psychedelics (21:03)

Accountability is important, but how can we prevent harm from occurring? (26:13)

Systemic inequality with drug enforcement (31:58)

Connecting with community (32:45)

Holding shamans accountable for harm (38:15)

Psychedelics won’t cure us. We have to do the work ourselves (41:55)

Aunt Elan’s life lesson: Be intentional, it will change your life (43:19)

Reflections on WOOP’s rapid rise into the spotlight (46:25)

Our thoughts on Seaspiracy (51:12)

Current and future collaborations (55:15)

Closing questions: 

Tian, what is your dreamy dream? (55:53)

Jess, what is your dreamy dream? (57:30)

What does healing mean to you, Jess? (1:00:49)

What does healing mean to you, Tian? (1:02:11)

Closing thoughts (1:03:26)

Huge thank you to the wonderful Tian and Jess for joining us. Follow them on Instagram at @womenonpsychedelics or visit their website at womenonpsychedelics.org

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