Welcome to Season 4 of It's In The Experience! This season, the podcast theme is "What's Up With..?" and each episode will dive deeper into a specific topic within Experiential Education. In the Season 4 premiere, host Sherry Bagley is joined by Matt Nannis, founder of PIVOTPoint WNC, for a conversation exploring the topic of  “failure as fiction.” Matt challenges the idea of failure as a fixed truth, describing it instead as a story people assign to outcomes and experiences. Together, they discuss how reframing those narratives can influence emotional responses, support self-regulation and co-regulation, and create greater space for empathy, reflection, and connection. Drawing from the world of experiential education, Matt explains how undesired outcomes often provide opportunities for resilience, curiosity, and growth, while the label of “failure” can reinforce feelings of inadequacy and narrow thinking. The conversation also explores practical approaches to shifting perspective, including recognizing personal narratives as optional and using language that separates identity from experience, ultimately helping facilitators and participants better understand growth and behavior over time.

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In this episode, host Sherry Bagley is joined by Curt Davidson, Ph.D., President of Alpenglow Education, and Kathy Rohn, Ph.D, Assistant Professor in the Education Department at the University of New Hampshire, to explore how the AEE volunteer community and the Symposium for Experiential Education Research (SEER) sparked a meaningful collaboration. Kathy shares her entry into AEE through research on students who thru-hiked the Appalachian Trail during COVID, while Curt reflects on his long-standing role coordinating SEER. Together, they unpack what makes collaboration work—from shared values and fresh perspectives to trust, humor, and strong followership—along with common pitfalls to avoid. The conversation highlights how collaboration can strengthen projects, expand professional networks, and bridge the gap between research and practice.

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In this episode, host Sherry Bagley talks with Caitlin McCormick Small, Executive Director and CEO of Project Adventure, and Laura MacDonald, Education & Training Senior Consultant, about their paths into experiential education and the organization’s evolving work. They reflect on Project Adventure’s origins in 1970s Massachusetts as an early leader in challenge course programming and discuss how the organization has refined its focus in recent years.

Caitlin and Laura highlight three key areas of Project Adventure’s work today: school- and youth-centered experiential programming, challenge course design and training across the Northeast, and organizational development for nonprofits. They also discuss a renewed therapeutic adventure model launched during the pandemic through a partnership with Gloucester High School, pairing a Project Adventure facilitator with a clinician to lead activity-based support groups that build belonging, mindfulness, and social-emotional skills.

Now in its fourth year, the program has expanded to multiple schools, including multilingual welcome programs, with support from the Tower Foundation. Project Adventure is also collecting data from the initiative with hopes of publishing findings that contribute to the field of experiential education.

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In this episode, host Sherry Bagley sits down with Bre Haapala and Dan Joyal, co-executive directors of Pathfinder, about their paths into experiential education and the mentors who shaped their leadership journeys. They reflect on how teamwork, collaboration, and community building influence their work, from partnerships with local schools to a major Science Center revitalization effort. The conversation highlights the role of clear communication, vulnerability, humor, and mutual respect in building strong collaborations and sustaining meaningful impact.

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In this episode, host Sherry Bagley sits down with Patrick McMillion, core faculty in Counseling and Counselor Education and co-coordinator of the Adventure Therapy Certificate Program at Westminster University, and Alex White, MS, CMHC, a clinical mental health counselor in private practice in Salt Lake City. Together, they discuss their paths into adventure therapy and experiential education, sharing the pivotal experiences that shaped their work and the ways they each define and practice adventure therapy today. Patrick and Alex also talk about their collaboration on Westminster University’s Adventure Therapy Graduate Certificate program, offering insight into its structure, impact, and the growing interest in training the next generation of practitioners. They close the conversation by reflecting on the importance of mentorship, openness, and community connection in fostering meaningful professional collaborations.

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In this episode, host Sherry Bagley talks with Margaret Kelso and Teresa Jennings, LCSW, from Cornerstone Safety Group. They share their journeys in experiential education and how their collaboration through Cornerstone combines a passion for mental health and risk management. The discussion explores their career paths, formative experiences, and the roles curiosity and emotional regulation play in effective education. Margaret and Teresa also reflect on how their partnership and shared values strengthen their work in creating safe, supportive, and inclusive learning environments.

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Host Sherry Bagley welcomes Mike Bingley, Director of Education at the Canadian Wildlife Federation, for an inspiring conversation about connecting people to nature through education and experience. Mike reflects on formative moments that shaped his passion for the outdoors and shares how programs like the Canadian Conservation Corps are empowering youth and communities to take action for wildlife. He also dives into the challenges of sustainable funding, the importance of inclusive partnerships, and the role of education in building a lasting culture of conservation.

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In this episode, host Sherry Bagley sits down with Jake Jacobs, executive director of Camp Henry, and Andrew Bobilya, professor and program director at the Outdoor Education graduate program at Western Carolina University. The two reflect on their intertwined journeys in experiential education, sharing stories of influential mentors, professional reconnections, and the role of community in shaping their careers. They explore the power of relationship-building—both personal and professional—and highlight why communities of practice and care matter more than ever. Along the way, Jake and Andrew offer advice for emerging leaders on building lasting collaborations, grounded in vulnerability, commitment, and a relationship-first mindset. From PhD programs to outdoor adventures, their conversation shows how shared experiences can create lifelong partnerships and meaningful impact.

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In this episode, host Sherry Bagley is joined by Mac Hall, M.A., and Heather Yazzie Campbell of Project Venture, an evidence-based, positive youth development program that integrates cultural and adventure-based education. Mac takes us back to the origins of the program, sharing the vision that inspired its creation, while Heather brings it to life with stories of activities ranging from risk management training to mindfulness practices. Together, they explore how Project Venture has expanded across the U.S. and into Jamaica and Canada, the power of community involvement, and why cultural relevance is at the heart of their work.

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In this episode, host Sherry Bagley is joined by Maurie Lung and Gary Stauffer for an in-depth conversation on their lifelong work in experiential education and adventure therapy. They share personal stories that shaped their careers, reflect on the power of compassion and curiosity in collaborative work, and discuss their experience co-authoring books and developing transformative programs. Together, they explore what it takes to create inclusive, supportive spaces, and how the field can evolve by amplifying diverse voices and breaking down systemic barriers.

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