The Neurodivergent Creative Podcast

It's Not (Just) Them vs Us—It's the System | #158


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Let’s talk about how personal growth, education, and the rise of fascism are connected (yeah, we’re going there today).

In this episode, Caitlin unpacks why so many people seem willfully ignorant—and how that ignorance is actually by design. We explore the gut-punch reality of America’s education system, from the purposeful defunding of public schools to redlining, racist discipline policies, and why 57% of U.S. adults are considered partially illiterate. (Spoiler: it’s not their fault.)

This one’s full of big feelings, nuanced rage, and deep compassion—for everyone trying to make sense of why the world feels so heavy right now.


💬 “We can be mad at them for voting for people who want to take away our rights, but they don’t understand they’re hurting people. They think they’re protecting themselves, and that’s because of the systems. When we take action, it needs to be against those systems—because it’s nearly impossible to change a mind that’s been brainwashed this hard.” - Caitlin Liz Fisher


Let’s talk about Systems Behind the Misinformation:

  • The connection between literacy, voting patterns, and systemic oppression

  • Why yelling at individual people isn’t the revolution (even if it feels satisfying)

  • How white supremacy and capitalism are baked into our school systems

  • The real reason anti-trans hate is spreading—and how undereducation fuels it

  • And why we have to aim our anger at systems, not just individuals


Links and resources mentioned in this episode:

  • The Gaslighting of the Millennial Generation by Caitlin Liz Fisher

  • Abbott Elementary (seriously, go watch it!)

  • The Audacity Bill of Rights


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