Jay talks about healing from personal life events from both a physical, emotional and spiritual sense. During times of difficulty, tragedy, failure, illness or any valleys of life; it's often easy to get stuck into the weeds and thorns that life is. It's easier to give up than having to face the aftermath of an event, but ultimately , we must get there to heal. Jay also plays a guitar at the end of the episode!

Resources: Songs Jay talked about

Whatever you're doing - Sanctus Real

Broken vessels - Hillsong

Quotable: "Everyone has their own process; everyone has their own time but if we are to continue living in this life - healing must happen." -Jay

The Pretender theme music is a beat composed by 2dayPresents and is titled "1000 Feet"

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