DeRay Mckesson is one of the leaders of the Black Lives Matter movement. He is also known for his work to end police violence, founding the Campaign Zero police reform movement. Recently, he wrote a book called, On the Other Side of Freedom and is in New Zealand at the moment for events with TEDx Christchurch, Word Christchurch & Verb Wellington. Lillian Hanly got to speak with him before these events and they had a conversation about the power of naming or defining, the commercialisation of activism and hope. Lillian starts by asking DeRay to introduce himself.