In this Leanpub Podcast episode, Len Epp interviews Ivan Krnić, author of BizTech Evolution: From Transactional Services to Strategic Alliances and Director of Engineering at CROZ. Ivan shares his insights on the changing relationship between business and technology teams, advocating for a shift from traditional siloed interactions to strategic partnerships. They discuss why empathy and shared context are crucial for success in modern organizations, and how his book provides a practical guide to fostering collaboration between engineers and business stakeholders. The conversation highlights how aligning incentives and focusing on outcomes can help organizations deliver more value and build more resilient, adaptive cultures.

This interview was recorded on May 16, 2025.

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