"Rodeo is sort of this universal expression of rural culture and everybody owns it…Native Americans own it, Mexicans own it, Black folks own it, White people own it…these are American Cowboys." Ivan McClellan grew up with adversity both from outside his family and inside his family. He speaks openly about the trauma and the healing in his life, and the choices he made that took him from acting, to UX design, and to photography. His best known work is a project he calls Eight Seconds, A tribute to the American Cowboy, of which he has an expansive definition. We have a fantastic conversation about mental health, race, and life in Portland. http://eightsecs.com/ https://www.instagram.com/eightsecs/ https://theundefeated.com/features/from-navajo-nation-to-rookie-of-the-year/ This episode sponsored by the School of Visual Arts MFA Photography, Video, & Related Media - Charles Traub, Chair. http://www.mfaphoto.sva.edu/ Visit realphotoshow.com @realphotoshow on Twitter/IG/FB